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CILir.LOTTn BAILY 0: IIUVER, HAY C, 1000. CniNLSE TACLUSlOfl ACTS uoisn cojuiriTEK1 heaiiing Bieiiogiai!lo Kcport of the- Teatl moujr Ulvcn iw-tore ' the "llonse Hub-Conmltt on I'orctKn Affair In ItrRard to the Bill Introduced by Hon. Pvld J. J'nBter, of Vcr niout. for the Amendment of i the Chinese Kuludlon Acts.' ; ;r Journal ,. of the ; American ' Asiatic Association, ' t , , ' , ,,. 4 , (Continued from last Sunday.) . Statement of Mr. D. A. Tompkins, ot Charlotte, M. C Representing th ; Katlonal v Association ot Maaufac,- . turara. . '"'' '. , .:.,',."" -it " Mr. Thomk'n. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen. 1 wilt undertake to make a few remarks, with some feelings of apprehension. I represent generally a targe number of business men, none; "' of whom are skilled In parliamentary - practice or in law.; -... . : It should be unnecessary to state that so many ; business - men as are here to-day representing large inter .: esu bate not come here without a ' strong Impulse. It should be unneces sary for ma to say, and yet possibly it might be as well for me to do so, ' that all these business interests are , here as much to look after the Inter esu of the American workingman as they are to took after the-vested, ln- terests which are in their control. . I beller it Is the unanimous opln- loo of the American manufacturers. In ao far as wa represent them, and for practical purposes, that Chinese coolie labor ought to be excluded from . ' this country, not alone In the interest of labor but in the ultimata Interest . of our industrial development The Chinese , claim that discrimination ought not' to be made against them in any shape or form, but that our ; - other Immigration laws ought to be ' applicable to them; but that Is a mat ter that 1 in their hands, and . not ' In ours. : It Is In China that the dls- - tinctlon has been made between the upper and lower 'classes. That: dls tinctlon Is as great as was formerly - - made between, the upper and lower - clssses In the Southern States when xor us to nnarnui to mw uw I common for Europe- and Chin An 'the matter of Immigration as It was fwsmaslw lwAwvtai 4 KIsa . ? VantiUW and Ohio to agree upon th subject " OI migraiMiu oi me www vmmmvm ' from one State to the other. That la a- matter that Is in tha hands ot China. Our answer la that wo have to deal with two seta of people . as wide apart as tha upper and lower - classes of China as wa did deal in thla country , with two, classes who .' , were as far apart as the slave-owner v and the slave. ' Therefore I think we need not con- alder further the subject of the right - nf the tTntted fitatea to exclude tha . " Chinese laborer as auch, because his ' position Is one of his own creation and not 'of ours, and his position is ' one as wholly incompatible with our institutions as slavery ever was, and the world knows how the United - States dealt with, that subject . . . Having agreed upon that point tha 'manufacturers are here to try to - meet tha reasonable views of China as ' " to rulea and regulation for the travel bf that upper class of China, for the 2 social, and commercial Intercourse of that upper class with our people, and . Af we can improve upon that it doea v not seem to matter to me whether tha ' boycott Is a consequence of our bad handling of It or not If we can Im prove upon It wa ought to Improve upon it and I believe we can Improve .. upon It very much. Inasmuch as the thing that wa do not want is eiceea- Inrlv ilmnln. It ittnili anlttarv and alone, and inasmuch as the compUca ' tlons that have coma out of thla sub ject arise from the fact that wo un dertook to define tha kind' of people that can come in. would It not be aim . pier to go to the proposition of da- nning, as in mi case ox our own trouble with slavery, that it shall not y eklst in America? That was the only . proposition, i : - - Now, instead ot making definitions of who may coma, let us make a- den nltlon of the fact that the coolie may not com a,' and define the coolie as den nltely and I understand he may be as nrnitiriv dii nNw lit was iui iui I, possible to define la this country any . Thing that wanted to define as to the slave. - It Is useless to say what , would have happened to the white . people If they went over to Ohio; but if the alavo crossed the river, that . ended it , v ',' " -Now, can wo not say that If the - - coolie crosses tha Paclflo ocean ha has got to go. back, and that all other , Chinamen may come? . ' It Is not the wish of the gentlemen for whom speak that the "Chinese Immigration laws shall bo In the slightest degee modified in so far as . tha excluded class Is concerned, or in ao far as it Is Intended to exclude - the present excluded class. But had ' we not better make a new law In " order to makeia simple deflottlon and get rid of all the. complications In -.the matter? Wa think the suggestion " of the President of tha United States "on this subject would meet all the re .. qulrements. , ' ; w As to whether wa would seem to he -receding from our position upon the demand of China, I wish to answer ths' Question of i the ' gentlemen over there (Mr.. Denby.) If we first put ourselvss In tha right I have no ap-prehension- upon that subject at all ' If we do. not, then we will get more confusion, and It Is going to be more difficult for us to set ourselves up In . - a position whero we can demand the - execution of tha treaty we have with China and to demand Just-treatment at the hands of China, : - " I think, one of tha chief complaints 'made by China, is - because two or three people were shut up overnight j In the custom house In Boston. How ' ' does that compare with our people be v Ing shut up In China, and our having : to send an army over there to rescue them? How does that compare with our missionaries being slaughtered In China, and 'With our having infinite ' difficulty In straightening out auch matters t ' China has no right to make - demands upon us, but wa should stand In the face ot those demands and de mand At them and send the necessary " ' force to correct them. If we first straighten out our own affairs in' our " relations with them and do reason- . able Justice to them, we could stand " Infinitely better, and China could be '. . mads tha better to understand - that - we had first perfectly cleaned our own hands and than had coma with An glo8axon courage to demand what ;. our rights were and Intended to bat a ' them. ... i. . " 't ."..'.'' For my part as an economic propo sition, 1 would not admit any race Into this oountryas immigrants who are , not v capable of - amalgamating with the American people. 1 do not think 'there Is any advantage in It. We v have had soma experience in dealing with other races- the Indians, for in , etsnee and w have had no good re sults to grow out of that experience; V and wa have had experience with the colored race, through the Instl .V tutlon of slavery, and .we hsve. sen . i Industry dried up throufth It," and I ' - believe wa hava reached a point In . the South now where the industrial Interests of tha United 8tutes aro recovering from the 111 effect' of bringing here a great number of peo ple of an alien race. The natural re sources of the country lay dormant through tha whole period In which wa depended upon an alien rar fot la bor. But now that free Inntltut Ions art established, now that tha white neoDle of this country have got ac cess to the natural resources and tha natural forces we are developtngia country that Is incomparably better as rSrds beneficial reaujta than . It would be with cntnese immiruon here in great numbers. v x . Within miles of ths city In which I Uva there Is mora than 100,00a horse-power being .developed, which Is equal to 800,000 coolies in their ca pacity to do work. Now,;; which la tha beat a condition In which .labor la scarce and high-priced and Intel llgent, -and capable of harnessing the natural forces and resources and of doing an Immense amount of work, or the condition we would . have U wo brought people of inferior grade from all over ths - world V Would ev ery laborer then get high prices. and live in a good house? , L: '.:.. -.-. ' There Is no question of doubt upon this subject in my ' mind. Within a short. line of tha Southern Railway, in the piedmont region, there Is mora than a million horse-power which la now largely In- process of develop ment and it Is equivalent 1 to what 1,000,000 Chinamen could do if wa brought them over here. And if the Chinamen came wo would soon get to rely upon them to do our work,' as we did upon the slaves. . The capacity of the white man's mind for: devel opment for training, and for tha de velopment of hla natural forces and resources ; would v becomo dormant again and the country would go back ward. .;f'-.-.::r.,V,r . , .. ' We' are protecting not only the In terests of labor In excluding Chinese labor a -class of people that - China has made Itself, and: we are not re sponsible forwo are not only pro tecting the interests of 'tabor, but wa are protecting vested interests and the Interests ot Anglo-8axon clvl Illa tion, to keep up a standard of Ameri can labor to the level, as It has trans pired. . that the white , man alone is capable of v obtaining.'. Therefore- I wish to make it pla'n that nothing that we say or do here to-day ishould be construed In any way as advocat ing the bringing in of Chinese cheap labor, either to " manufacture or tc make cotton; and in so-far as the manufacture of cotton is concerned." I do- not think they are capable ot making cotton goods,, Mr. McKlniay'They makek . It In China." -. Mr. Tompkins "With labor and Intelligence such as thelra they have made no progress. The progress In this country Is tenfold what It la In China. I do not mean to say that they are wholly Incapable of making any kind of cloth at all. The -col ored people of the South are -capable, but they have not yet made any great headway In making cloth for the markets of the world. China and Japan have not made the progress predicted of them, and I think it is because the white man's body and mind are capable of higher develop men of skill than these inferior races are able, to maintain. . At least it has been so in ths past. What it may bo in the future I do not know." Mr. McKlnlay "Are you aware that the appraiser, of San Francisco within two- or three weeks has reported a large shipment of Japanese goods manufactured goods apd piece goods coming Into this country from Japan? Mr. Tompkins "I dont know as to that But even if what you men tion la true. It would prove the rule, if It had any effect upon the rulo at all. X beard fifteen yeara ago that Japan was going to make bicycles and land them in San Fran cisco at lit sp'ece. and that It had been done, but it dons not seem to have been done really, and at least It was not repeated." Mr. Fassett "Probabry they were not worth 11 cents," (Laughter.) ' Mr. Tompkins "I think ws had bet ter wait for the end, as to Japan's ul timate success In making cotton goods, before we argue on that line. Mr. McKlnlay "Fifteen year ago If wo had told you that Japan could de velop her army so as to whip Russia you would, not have believed that Mr.- Tompkins -"We did not -know enough about Russia or Japan to pre dict whether she would or would not. Gentlemen, while we are not people-of parliamentary or legal skill, we come here with perfect frankness, and desire to answer ail questions, whether they are confusing or not" "To make a very concise summary, I propose, first that we try and regu late our commercial relations with China so as not to entangle ourselves In this question to excluding Chinese labor at all, ao- far as that Is, pos sible, but to make even more definite tha proposition that we do not wish that class of Chinamen here which haa been In China relegated to a con dition lower than any we have in thla Country. We do not wish them to b-l admitted to this country at all, In the interest ot our civilisation and our la bor and our vested Interests. With equal earnestness we wish all: tha parts of these laws and their execu tion relating to the commerce ot the two countries to be almnJtfled and made plain, so that if China seems disinclined to carry, out the condi tions of , her treaty and agreement with us, we, with - perfectly clean hands, can stand np and ask the Unit ed States to take auch measures aa are necessary to make China carry out her agreement That Is all I hava to say." v-,iy, y.v.-. ,v j , , .. ..-:. The Chairman"- "Mr. Tompkins, I do not understand perhaps I did not catch It when- you spoke. What la your business f ... ' : ,. ( Mr. Tompkins "l am a machinist by trade, and havo soma Interests In manufacturing machinery. I am also interested An. tha manufacture of cot ton In the Southern States." ' - . Tha Chairman -"How largely has there been a tendency to Increase tha export of cotton manufactures Into China during the lest few. yeara?"' - Mr. Tompkins "During the war tha export to China and X am speak Ing ot tha government reports, as I remember them in, general terms, you understand . : .-. . ; ... The . Chairman "I thought Ayott might tell us tha tendency, from ex perience and observation of the-' in dustries with which you are connnect ad.'-'.v-.w V Mr-Tompkins "In ordr to do that I must refer to approximate govern ment figures. 'Two or three years ago, during tha war between Russia and Japan, the - exports went down very low, and It bore heavily, upon tha cotton manufacturing districts of tha South and-New England, and up on all concerned in those . Interest Latterly, It Improved very .much, and ws hoped when- the war was over and the business of handling cotton goods In Msnchurla opened up again there would be a good trade, and that hn come about We think that s all very natural indeed." ; w I ' v i TJia Chairman "What tha commit-" ice wouo 10 snow i wnat-your opinion Is, and upon what you ' base It, as to the effect produced upon present conditions by our legislation the effect upon the trade between the Southern cotton manufacturers and China.", v1-' 'f ''-..' Cl'':'' Mr. Tompkins ''Absolutely regard fee Of whether tha boycott is tho re sult of rxrlunlon Isws or not. we think we hsve still opportunity to extend trsde and export American goods In China, to doublo and quadruple what It now Ik, provided the laws fostered It and in no way hindered It. We have gained the .'mprenelon from the circumstances that have arisen and from correspondence with China I myself hava had several letters from ex-Mlnleter Wu we have gained the impression hat. It was the manner of executing these. lawe mat gave i fenae to the Chinese merchants and other Chinese who, - according to our law, are not Intended to be denied aa- mUm, K .r. 1 tinrl-rutinrt thkt the exclusion of such people has created a very large prejmllco in China, and that It Is a prejudice mat wm k to Increase- and hinder that prog- r-u nf business that might aTOW at an increasing ratio Instead ot, di minishing in a ; decreasing -rauo a business , which would be greatly for the interest - of this - county. ; without crippling anything or giving up one f article of our principles in excluding he Chines coolw.'T .. "" v ' 7 ' The Chairman "Is it your opin ion that there should bo some mod ification of th- exclusion laws, baaed upon the opinion that they have al ready , operated dlsastsrouMy and ' In Jutlously to your trade, or la It that they will ao - operate?" " - Mr., Tompkins "I have no doubt la my own mind that they have so far operated vry , Injuriously , with ' re spect to the trade In flour, tobacco and petroleum. W wouldNb a cu rious people. If." seeing evidence of that and believing it. we did not feel that It was' Important for us to take Steps to try: to keep that prejudice from reaching the trade we already have,, Otherwise ' w would pot be able" to get Important men .to - leave their business and come here If they did not, feel that some modlflcstlons were necessary to protect the trade we have already, and to protect that which we hop, to rtln the future." -The ' Chairman "Then you think it Is not only a theoretical, but . a practical question?" ' ;-, 4 : - Mr. Tompklne--MT6 my mind It Js without doubt a most ' practical question. . We would defer .to th lawmakers for the remedy, But for the moment 'In the light we now stand i In, we feel that It . the claas which we desire to exolude were nominated in the law, and if the de termination of whether the ' Intend Ing Immigrant belonging to that class wsre made on th other- side and put 1 Into th hands of our consuls there, those two : propositions would seem to cover the whole subject They are propositions that . would particularly strengthen us In going before the Chinamen and saying: Now, you must keep the treaty. We have given you everything you are entitled to. We put It to you In your . own country ' to determine whether a man has a right to emi grate.' , And th definition of who la not allowed to come In Is so sim ple and so comprehensive that there should be no mistake on the part of our consols. It would simplify the proceeding from beginning to end. As ordtnsry business men we can understand that We want a law to be enacted that Is Intelligible to the ordinary business man. But as I said before, we defer to the lawmakers. We do not even undertake to suggest to you with undue pressure that that would be the right remedy; but w do feel strongly that it is." Mr. Livingston "Io you not think that the line of distinction between the classes there In South China la so plain that our agents would have no trouble in discriminating between them?" Mr. TompklnV "I am not so well posted,' perhapa, as some of these gentlemen who have lived in China, but the Impression is upon my mind that what w had to say about slav ery fifty years ago the term slave' covered It all la applicable to this situation, and that In China the term 'coolie' is equally distinctive and clear." Mr. Denby -'There Is no label on a coolie." (Laughter.) Mr. Tompkins "I . used tha word coolie' simply to compare It with the word 'slave.' " . Mr. Denby "You could not mis take th slav then. He was of one race and color only, whereas ths coo lies are of different appearance." -Mr. Tompkins "Is . there -. any way of .defining the Chines laborers that we want to exclude?" Mr. Denby "I do not know about that, but there la no absolute equi valent' for - distinction. . The govern ment In China may rise and tall. A coolie may be prime minister. There Is no way except by inspecting the callouses on the hsnds that you can tell a Chines laborer from any other class." Mr. Tompkins "It would be for our consuls to- determine whether he was a skilled or an unskilled labor er If they merge one class Into tha other, X think we would be In dan ger of being overwhelmed by the coolie class. That la what wa want to prevent" "Mr. Denby "Mr. Tompkins has very clearly expressed his objection to th modification of tha law for the admission of the coolies." Mr. Tompkins "We do not want to -extend that law, W would make It more definite." Mr. Denby "If on investigation you became thoroughly convinced that th definition- of th excluded class, and the attempt to enforce the taw under th definition of th ex cluded class : rather than a " defini tion of the admitted classes would be capable of easy evasion the law would be capable of easy evasion, aad the Chinese would come In In great numbers under that would you ask this legislation to be passed ? Would you not consider the interests at stake great enough to Jeopardise the Inter ests of this country? I will ask your opinion." ; f " , '-..! Mr. Tompkins "I apprehend , that the defining of who csn com Is per haps more confusing than the defin ing of. who can not come, and ' w have got to exercise powers that are mors or leas Judicial, anyhow." . Mr. Denby "If you found the law aa proposed could be easily evaded, and there would be great danger of a-large influx ot Chinese, would you ask that this law be passed r, ' Mr. Tompkins "That is a hypo thetical question that- X would not like to admit because it "would b admitting . something that I do not think will , come about . I - think w can define more easily who shall not coma than to define a multitudinous list of people who ought to com.'! - . Mr. Denby "Th objection of th proposed legislation la that it can not be enforced without " a great Influx bf Chinese. So J ask -. you. It ' yon found upon. Investigation that auch Is the case, would . you still ask that this legislation be enacted?" ' i v ' -f Mr. Tompkins "No. s x j am , per emptorily opposed to bringing them aver her tinder any circumstances." ,, Mr, Denby 'Then.'' you would b opposed to the enactment of, the Fos ter' Plll?t.. .;'1 "'4 f- " '"'l -Vi '-S If Mr. Tompkins 'Thai I putting up a proposition that I do nor think la probable shd ms king me seem to c qulewee' In it luhter.) This mui h I am sure Of; W havo tried this law. and It has not worked successfully--'' " Mr. Denhy "Except to keep out th Chinese, It, has excluded th Chi nese?",'. ' '; A;,',.-". 4 .--A. -' Mr Tompkins "Yes; but It has not accomplished anything else. We would not be here If we did not think It Interfered - with Amerlcsn trade. Do you not think. If we could get a law lo put ' a hypothetical question to you (laughter) that would still keep out the Chinamen and in ad dition quadruple our trade, that w ousht to try It?" Mr. Denby"! will not attempt to evade the question. 1 think it would be worth ujing.f ' ; -.'. "Now, do you wish th Foster bill to pass. If It would result In a great Influx of coolies into this country?" Mr. .Tompkins "I think w could try Iti ' and If it : does hava- a ' bad effect, it vijl not affect th country so quick that we can not repeat it If It doea any harm. X think the Amer ican people are clamorous In not wanting any great numbers of a larger- alien rac of people Coming her than' what w have now. who ar li able to chang th level of th Amer ican workman under which he la cap able of ' living . with s contentment Therefore, we take no particular risk, When we find W hav a law that x elude- or hampers trade,- In, making an experiment ot seeing if w can not get one that does exclude and will not hamper trade." - TRv Chairman 'Tha whole quea tlon hero, is 'Whether this law does hamper Mrade; Ther la no doubt but that it excludes. It waa Intend d to exclude, i The question is Whether, In addition to excluding, it also -operates injuriously upon our trad interests., --.-I Mrv Tompkins "I have already stated that you hav here thla morn ing a number of Important business men a large number of them who do not leave "-their ; business except for very Important matters men who do not - take recreation enough, and somawaf whom are going to die be cause they - do not take recreation enough in their business. Tet these people are here and they would not be here It they did not believe that we ought to hav a law that would exclud and still not hamper trade. Ther would b a great many less her than there are if they did not believe that. W believe that with strong conviction, ao much so that In this body of gentlemen from Bos ton and Now Tork and Philadelphia and Chicago and the Southern States ther Is no sectional representation. " . Mr. Foster "Mt. v Tompkins, you ar doubtless try much in earnest about this matter, aa you say, other wise you gentleman .would not be here. Ton are, successful business men?"-.. ... . Mr. Tompkins ''Some of us are." (Laughter.) Mr. Foster ''You do not act upon whims or Impulse. Tou must have some ground for th faith that Is in you. I would Ilk to know what th abuses ars that yu think this bill will eliminate.., I understand the com plaint la from China as to the se verity with, which the Immigration regulations ar formulated and en forced. As I understand this bill. It simply transfers' th ground or place of enforcement from our porta to the Chinese porta." : Mr. Tompkins "Yes; on the ground where they can find out the facts." Mr. Foster "I understand there Is no complaint as to the severity with which the coo 1 1 Is' excluded." Mr. Tompkins "If there Is sny way of making It stricter, we are with you." Mr. Hayes "That Is ths bone of contention." . . Mr. Foster 'Thoy do' not make that complaint. ' It Is the imprison ment of th .King .family, over In Boston, and th sending back of some eighty merchants In 1IS0 from Ban Francisco, and things Ilk that which they complain of- : Now, how does this law change, or give up sny hope of chsnge In th treatment of the really desirable classes?" Mr. Tompkins "The proposed chsnge Is, first that th clsss excluded shall be definite, Instead of the mut tlfsrlous clssses that are eligible. We feel It would be - difficult to pass a law that nominated all th multltudl nous classea" , Mr. . Fassett-f'Th ' experiment showsvthat the present law does ex- elude effectually. Why , then both er with that particular feature of the law? Why not introduce some sec tlons that would mollify th condi tions?" Mr. Tompkins "It is not excluded ones that mske the trouble. It Is those whom we Intend to admit but who do not get admitted because It was forgotten to -define them properly. Ther seems to be a great difficulty In that multitudinous definition." . Mr. Fassett "Outside, of the five clssses mentioned as exempt from the law you would like to add other class es whom It would be proper to ad mitperhaps ten or fifteen more classes?" ; Mr. Tompkins "It looks aa though it would be easier to define th coolie. whom It is desired to keen out" Mr. Fassett "Would It not b eas ier If you confined your Investigation solely to China, and If a certificate waa finally vised by the United States officer to allow th holder to com In?".. . -. .... Mr. Tompkins 'That Is th propo sition In th bill." Mr. Fassett "Is not that all you want!" i . ; Mr. Tompkins "Besides, excluding th cooll class, w want It fixed that none others will pm forgotten to be admitted; otherwise it will be a source of dissatisfaction. I hav not th slightest doubt but that the present discontent manifested by China has thre motives behind it '" On Is to get from us all they can 'with re epeet to our present laws. Another Is to force us to put China upon the same plane as that on which w put Germany, which, I may say, w can never do make a law applicable to China as It would b to Ocrmany. Ther w hav to part company with China. We can never get - together on that.' . Her low class laborers ar of alien blood, and cannot amalga mate with American citlsens. I, for one, think so, and X think my associ ates agree . with me. W object to that-- We object to th admission of inferior aliens Just - as firmly as we now believe that slavery waa wrong." Mr. Denby "What do you mean by 'coon'? , ;,... .,, ;' Mr. Tompkins "A laborer." T Mr, Denby rof all classe?'? . ; Mr. Tompkins "Ves."- , V' Mr. Dsnby " 'Cooll' a Tnlsno mer.,"' .i. : - , ,? - : ; Th Chairman "You aald that you thought tb terminology of th bill. as It now stands, should ba modi lied. because tn oennuion oi those al lowed to com in waa not sufficiently broad. -Th law a It how exists al lows travelers to com In, doss It Mr.. Tompkins 'That t la tny un derstanding." , i i'-'T- 1 ' '.'.- '-. ' Th Chairman "Why does not th word 'traveler, cover vry class that has a right to come?" v ,.; t Mr. Tompkins "Uecsuse the cus tom officer , exercise his discretion. He Is In dubt and docs not know. The msn In China, However, can go and nnd oui.'t .r.'.v .-' ..,., t .Mr, McKlnlay "Do yoti not think he can net a certlflcst now from our ronsulal officer In China to th f fert thst h Is a traveler f" tv Ttv ! t 'Mr. Tompkins "Th coustoms Of floer msy or may not pay. attention to that certificate, as he likes." - Th- Chairman "If Congress says that any Chinese traveler wno is not a coolie ot. a laborer of a certain class may- com to this country, wherein can w better the law by any defini tion thst w can get out of th die tionrv? ' . Mr., Tompkins "W sr ssklng this question, and it is fully admitted on both aids thst the law has been bad )y executed, or Is bad. Now, the ques- tlon seems to he, Why not let th w alone and Improv It execution? What ar w to do, wnen wa mm things going on? - What would you do to remedy the difficulties that w admit UK, place in . ponnactloa -i" this?" . ' ' .,' . ' - ' ' " Mr. rasseti inat is wn -..win.- ,n ' if mrmidi that certifi cate trom th other slda complete evi dence ot the man a rim f"" thla country, would not that rmeoy th condition? Every time v change the law has to b " prated ovef ana over sgmu., law has been 'interpreted.'', ( Mr. Tompkins ,fW . want ,4JW that wa can Interpret a llttl dlffer ntlyvfrom this." .-uv-V-'V.r : Mr roord "Th court have 4fln d that the traveler can com hr. but they hav turned back students.' Mr. McKlntav 'The law allow th travelers and students and diplomat ic people to come her treaty ana travel through the country." - ? : - Mr. Foord "Do you know ot any Chines doctors or lawyers coming her?" -n - , ' '' Mr. McKinlav "I have known Of those who alleged that they wer. but they, could not prov it. But tnos who proved It were admitted." ! . Mr. Foord "Is not th phraseology of th second article ot the treaty with th limitation : thereunder subject to" ' '. . , ; Mr. McKlnlay '.That has been d- nn.,1 h jh Runrema Court over and over again. At San Francisco I hav had some experience witn in aa ministration v of . thos laws. ine troubl with th administration is that thousands come to th port ot San Francisco alleging that they are merchants and have no proof of It not even a consular certificate, and they are refuaed the privilege of land ing.1 Thousands come alleging to be doctors and hav no proof of It nnd are- turned back." : Mr. Hayes "X want to ssk Mr. Tompkins If h has la mind sny class that h would Ilk to Inclade under th excepted classes that are not excepted?"- ' .-f Mr. TompklnJ"l do not know the definition sufflcletly tn detail. I have definitely In my mind what I would exclude, and beyond that I would let In Chinese upon the same terms as people of other countries '' Mr. McKintay "tou say you r manufacturer of cotton and ma chinery?'? Mr. Tompkins "Tea." Mr. McKlnlsy "Do you send any of your goods to China?" Mf. Tompkins "it does not mat ter whether I do or not if I may answer in that way without disrespect I am as much interested In export goods as anybody else that exports them. As a matter of fact 1 do ex nnrt.them. That Is,' I sell them to New York merchants who export them." Mr. McKlnlsy "Do you notice sny diminution of your trade of this year over that of last year?" Mr. Tompkins "No. On the con trary.-the trade-Is in better shape. You could hardly ten in tne case or sctual goods, because I could go through New-Tork merchants. The condition of our side, however, Is bet' ter then It wss." Mr. McKlnlsy "So far as you can trace your own goods, your condition Is better than It wasT" Mr. Tompkins "Yea snd we ex pected last year It would be. Then there was no discussion of this sub ject. The wsr stopped It." Mr. McKlnlsy "Did you ever live In China?" Mr. Tompkins "No. sir." Mr. McKlnlay "Did you ever llv on the Pacific coast?" Mr. Tompkins "No, sir." Mr. Hayes "Hava you had any practical experience with the Chinese at all 7" , Mr. Tompkins "No. sir; not a bit.1 Mr. Hayes "Has ajiybody of this association? Mr. Foord "Ysa; these gentlemen here." Mr. McKlnlay "Have you gone In to an Investigation or" Mr. Tompkins "We have had plen ty of experience with alien races of people." Mr. McKlnlsy "Have you gone over the old Chinese exclusion Taws that hsve been passed for twenty or thirty years?" Mr. Tompkins "I have read them carefully, but not latterly. I stated In the beginning that none of us were expert In the law." Mr. McKmlay "You substantially express th desire, or wish, her that the eld exclusion laws be so changed as to permit the examination of the Chinese In China Instead of here. If that be so, what would you do with the tens of thousands of those who go to the Mfxlcan and Canadian bor der and cross over th border Into this country every year? What would you do with those? They did not depart from China to the United Btstes." Mr. Tompkins "Tkty could not gt In." Mr. McKlnlay "Why?" Mr. Tompkins "Because they would not have th certificate from Chins under thla Foster bill. Pri marily I would keep them out If they do not hav a certificate from Chins, whether they come from Kamchatka or anywhere elss." - Mr. McKlnlay "Th lines of th Immigration Bureau ar , stretched along our frontiers, and when the Chinese come to our frontier they are stopped It they hava not th right to com In. If you make the ex amination of a Chinaman I China, and there give him a certificate to land In the United Slates, add make It all powerful, do you think that would be a better system than the present system?" Mr. Tompkins"! bellev It would be better to hsve th investigation made at (he horn of th Chinaman, where you can quickly determine whether or not he is a doctor, rath er than hav blm refuaed the privi lege of lending here and sent back." - Mr. McKlnlsy "Suppose a China men Is landed In Mexico and crosses the line. What would you dor ... , '. Mr. Tompkins "X would keep him out." . t,; Mr. McKlnlay "Would you want two sets of lines Instead of one?" - Mr, Tompkins "No, 1 would keep him out." ) L'.'i '. Mr. McKlnlay "How "would you keep him out when h lands on th Mexican border?" - Mr.- Tompkins "H must hav a certificate brought from ehlna when he lands. In this country." - -i Th Chairman "Ther is ho diffi culty about tht" ..' '.-; . Mr. McKlnlay "Tou still want to obtsla this legislation?" " -i Mr, Tompkins Tes;csrlalnly." , Mr. Foord "Mr. Chairman, let me Introduce Bishop Moore." , . ,; s i Representative Johnson,., of South Carolina "Just a moment- -1 would like to ask th gentleman a question. The large trade that w recently had with China is largely th filling of orders received before )h disturbance Uegeo?"!.v ,! " ' -: r Mr, Tompkins "t think a number of orders hav been entered since, To spesk with that full frankness which w should spesk with, I do not think any disturbance In China has yet reached the territory where we snd our cotton goods. 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