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COJVGIiESS. SiriXTEESTH C'ONT.RESfc TIHST SESSION. IJ' SEJHTJZ.....tixvat, j.vv. 7. Mr. Lloyd and Mr. J'inkneu of Mary land, appeared to-day and took their seats. iWr. JJicktrsw communicated to the Senate the following preamble and reso lutions, adopted by the Legislature ot New-Jersey : "Whereas controversies -exist between the Statcs of New-Jersey ami New - oik, and of Ne w- t T k I " I jersey ana ueiaware, concerning- tncir respec tive, boundaries: Anil whereas the constitution he United States has declared, that the judi cial power of the general government shall ex tend to controversies between two or ir.oi-e State3 "thereby providing lor the legal settle ment of disputes, which might otherwise endan ger the peace and safety of the Union: And u Coittcss liave hirherto omitted to car- hereas Congress 1 nvi-crs in the courts of the U. States . effect the wise and salutary provisions ot k nStitution for that purpose, by vesting ad equate p r, i. i , ,V Council and General issemblu Resolved, ty zjit . i ,, J . cfthh State, That our Senators and Represen tatives in Congress be requested to use their endeavors to procure .the passage of a law lor the decision of territorial or otucr controversies between states, in such manner as is authorized by the constitution of the United States. Resolved, That his Kxcellency the Governor be requested to transmit copies of the foregoing preamble and resolution to each ot our Senators and Representatives in Congress, to be by them laid before their respective Houses. The document was read, and on motion of Mr. Dicker it was ordered to be en tered at large on the Journal of the Senate , ayes 1 noes 12. Mr. Southard laid before the Senate a report and resolutions rdso of the Legis lature of the State of New-Jersey, ap vlncr nnd re commendinjr the Maryland proposition to grant to the old States, for! the purposes of education, a portion of; the public lands, corresponding to the portions granted to the new states for that object ; and the communication was read. OFFICIAL COMPENSATIONS. The Senate, according to order, took tip the following resolution, submitted on Fridav lst, by Mr. Knight : Resolved That a committee he appointed to inquire into the propriety of reducing the com- pensation ot the Members ot me senate, .icm matters of great moment, be said, which claimed the crave consideration of the Senate : he himself had introduced a pro position to arraign the Supreme Court though in tisinir the expression ne meant not the slightest indecorum to that re spcctable tribunal but this, and other subjects awaiting the decision ol tlie Cnn-rrpss. made him tlic more averse to ' . r take up the question ot compensation, which would only distract the attention of the Senate, without, as he believed, even tuating in any rood. While he thus ex pressed his opinion, Mr. J. said he did not know that he should ever receive the eight dollars again ; his political lamp was now expiring, and he knew not that his constituents would send him here atrain ; he, therefore, spoke on this subject the more disinterestedly but, whether in public or private life, he should entertain the same opinions cn this matter. In maintaining them on a former occasion, he had nearly been swamped, and had been tumbled into the gulf of popular dis pleasure so far as to be hardly able to reach the shore again. The subject was therefore, cue of deep interest to him, but he repeated that he thought it highly inexpedient, as it was, in his opinion, un necessary to agitate it again so early and he hoped the resolution would at least be ordered to lie on the tabic, whence it might at any time be called up, if it should be the pleasure of the Senate. Mr. Knight was far from wishing to press the consideration of the resolution bclore gentlemen had relltcted on it, or were reudy to examine it. In introducing the motion he had obeyed his convictions of public duty ; it appeared to him there was a waste of public money, and, as the guardians of the public treasure, he thought it incumbent on Congress to in quire where this wv.stc was, and apply the remedy. lie would consent, however to let the proposition, though one for inquiry merely, lie for some lime longer, as it was desired. Mr. Otis thought it would be the better course to postpone the resolution altogeth er. It had become, as lie had under stood, the general sense of the Senate to be the correct course to abstain from originating much business, and to await. 4)ers of the House of Representatives of the j as tar as wis proper, the movements ot -United States, and Delegates of Territories, and j the ether House. If such was the sense all other officers in each ot tne Executive De-!0f the Senate, and if there was anv. sub- :h more propriety, to lir:inrb. it ivic tl-ilc Mr. R. M. Johnson of kv. said he should J . 1 ' like the at thr nresent time : at least he should B , partments and Post Office Establishment ; andject which ought, with that said committee have leave to report by bill orjnale jn lhe Qthcr f compel to hear some reasons in support ; aIogous lo a mo:icv bill ; it was one, there cxpedicncy of agitating this subject j fore, which he conceivcd thc Senate mizht, like to be convinced, that the present pay f the members of Congress was too jnuch, before he could assent to another discussion of it. It was a subject which Jiad occupied much of his attention, he snid he had perhaps been as much con cerned in former proceedings on it as any jnan vet he hud not been able, so far, to convince himself that the present com pensation was unreasonably high. This, IVIr. J. said, was an unfortunate subject to be o repeatedly brought up in Congress ; it was a delii.'le and an individual duty for a public body to fix its own pay, and the subject ought, therefore, when once fixed, to be Rtirrt-d as seldom as possible. It had been recently acted on, and he thought Congress hud then fixed their compensa tion at a reasonable amount. Tor his own part, Mr. J. said, he estimated his servi ces to the public at least as high as the sum he received for them, and he might therefore value those of many other mem bers, who had the advantages of age and experience, as well as of eminent talents, at much more. This, he observed, was a subject of difficulty as well as delicacy, ! and he would not consent to touch it again unless those who sent him here should, after due consideration, desire him to do so. It was one which ought not to be agitated annually like any ordinary mat ter : and he should deem it unwise to stir it more than once in twenty or thirty years, and net even then, unless circum stances strongly required it. The people had been willing that it should rest twenty or twenty-five years, previously, to the existing law establishing the pay of mem. ber3 ; and as much as he respected the state of Rhode Island, which had instruct ed her Senators to bring the subject again before Congress, he must oppose its be ing acted on until circumstances of great weight should demand its re-consideration. Mr. J. said he hoped, at any rate, that the mover of the resolution would con sent to let it lie on the table for some time longer. Tow aids thc close of the session, he said, members would be better able to with the more propriety, leave to thc oth er House. If, indeed, it were taken up, it wouM only waste much time in thc dis cussion of it, without, as he firmly be lieved, resulting in any thing. Mr. O. was clearly in favor of leaving the subject to the House of Representatives, who, if they wished to act on it, w ould take it up ; and he, therefore, ir.ocd that the resolu tion be indefinitely postponed. Mr. Lanman was opposed to the motion for indefinite postponement, because he was in favor of a consideration of thc subject, and the motion would negative the proposition altogether. This was a subject, Mr. L. thought, of too much im portance in this day of public pressure, to let it pass off so lightly. It became the Senate deliberately to examine into the subject and decide on its merits. He Wis in favor of this course because he thought it the correct ohe, and because the state which he in part represented had recently expressed an opinion in fa vor of a retrenchment of public expenses, and particularly a reduction of the com pensation of the Members of Congress. He doubted, indeed, whether any thing would result from the inquiry proposed ; but inasmuch as the attention of Congress was requested to thc subject, by a state, and it became a state proposition, he would bestow on it at least a deliberate consideration. I his proposition Mr. L. considered very different from a money bill, and he did not think that objection to the inquiry a well founded one. Mr. L'itvric observed, that, if the mo tion for indefinite postponement prevail ed, it would put it out of the power of the Senate, by its rules, to institute any in quiry, during the present session, into thc salaries of any of thc officers of gov ernment. Whether such an inquiry would be deemed expedient, he did not know, but he should consider it wrong for thc Senate to preclude itsc'f from making the inquiry, should it be thought proper. Thc discussion, as far as it had gone, had embraced only thc members of Congress, but that formed but a small bers to bring the inquiry before Congress. Motions for mere inquiry were rarely re jected in this body, and, as the indefinite postponement would be at once a vote of rejection in this case, he was opposed to it he hoped the motion to lay the reso lution on the table would have the prefer ence, Air. M. said it might not be im proper to add the remark,, that if ever thcr.; was a time to inquire where any saving could be made, now was thc time ; for, to use a common phrase, it would be touch and go wih thc revenue. As to this being the nature of a money bill, he had seen propositions much more like money bills originated and decided in this body, some of which the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. O.) had not, if he re membered rightly, found much fault with. Mr. M. thought, as the subject had been introduced, it would be much the more proper course to inquire, if any thing ought to be done in it, and, if not, to say io. The question was then taken on lay ing the resolution on thc table, and agreed to. Mr. Lanman communicated to the Sen ate a preamble and sundry resolutions of the legislature of Connecticut, declaring it expedient for Congress to retrench the public expenses, and particularly so to reduce the per diem allowance of mem bers of Congress to the former sum of six dollars ; and the communication was read. A message was received from the Pres ident of the United States, transmitting a report of the operations of the mint for thc last year ; which was read. The President laid before the Senate a letter from the Secretary of the Navy, transmitting a list of the clerks employed in the Navy Department, and their re spective salaries. The President laid before the Senate the memorial of the legislature of India na, praying of Congress the grant of five or six thous md acres of untillable Lnd, contiguous to the . town of Vincennes, to be used as a town common ; which was read and referred. THE CUMBERLAND ROAD. The bill p oviding lor keeping in re- . - t 1 I i pair tne national roau irom Lumueriana to the Ohio, was taken up, and having been read- Mr. Chandler remarked that he did not find in the bill anv provision for cases where persons might forcibly pass thc gates without paying the toll required. Mr. R. ..Ii. Johnson, of Ky. said, that thc expediency of such a provision had not escaped the committee ; but they concluded that, as such a clause would in volve a question of constitutionality, and of course of some difiicultv, it would be better to avoid the impediment which it might present, by reporting the bill in the naked form in which it was present ed, and leave to future legislation such a provision, if it sh uld be found necessary. Mr. Macon thought this much more like a money bill than the resolution just ordered to lie on the table : for this was, withm thc state of Vermont 5 ; within the state f Mr. Jones, of Ten. moved to fill tW of New-York 5Sv-four within the state of J bIank with S30.000, and amongst other New-Jersey six; within the state of Pennsylva-i remark5 suggested the propriety of cail- nia twentv-six; within the state ot ueia.c ( Qn c Secretary ol war lor the ac one ; within the state of Maryland nine ; within j a f1 in rclation la the expen- .SrS: 5 thelditurcs of the Indian department. e oi iorui-vyrti"'' - . the OLrtlC Ul state of South-Carolina nine ; within the state ot Georgia seven ; within the state of Alabama two ; within the state of Mississippi one ; within the state of Louisiana three within thc state of Tennessee nine within the state of Kcntucky twclve within the state of Ohio fourteen ; with in the state of Indian three ; within the state of Illinois one ; and w ithin the state of Missouri one. The bill was twice read and committed. Mr. Edward. of Connecticut, said, that the legislature of Connecticut, at its last session, passed a resolution requesting the Representatives of that state in Con- grcss to use their influence to procure a reduction of thc public expenditures, and particularly a reduction of the compensa tion of Members of Congress, to what it formerly was. In compliance with this request, he begged leave to offer this res olution : Jtcsolred, That a committee he appointed to inquire into the expediency of reducing the compensation allowed to members of Congress to six dollars per day, and making a proportional reduction in their compensation for travelling to and from the seat of government, and, also, re ducing thc compensation of all the officers of government to what it was previous to the 3-ear 1809. 1 he question on agreeing to this reso lution was taken without debate, and the vote was as follows : For the resolution 5$ Against it 87 So thc resolution was rejected. Mr. Cocke presented the following res olution for consideration, which lies on the table : fiesolved, That the President of the T7. Stales be requested to cause to be laid before this House a statement shewing the amount expend ed for the current expenses of the Ordnance Department during the vcars 1817 1818, 131P, and 1820, and as much as can he shewn of the said expenditures of the year 1321, with the particular items for which thc money was ex pended ; the place when and the persons to whom paid ; w hat quantity of timber has been procured for gun carriages and caissons ; its cost annually, and w here deposited ; the quantity of ordnance, of every kind, that has been procur ed during three years, or paid for ; the sums ex pended in the purchase of sites for arsenals since the peace ; the cost of the buildings erected thereon ; and whether all these arsenals are ne cessary for the service of the United States. Mr. Ttaldzvin submitted for considera- Mr Chambers followed Mr. Farrellv rose next, and on the gen eral ground of expediency was in favor of now granting the appropriation re quested by the bill. , Mr. Hi'll said he was as much in favor of thc doctrine of accountability as any gentleman in the House ; but he thought the present discussion premature, and :,at .when the ore.ral appropri- ation bill was before thc house, it would be the proper time to enter into the. mer its of thc appropriation in question. Mr. Mallary was for the, inquiry going on, as it involved important principles ; he was willing, however, in the mean time to vote for a small appropriation, and was in favor of filling up the blank with S30,ooo. Mr- MDufiie followed Mr. Mallary in a speech of considerable length, in vindi cation of the secretary of war. Mr. Hill moved to fill the blank with g 100.000, when, on motion of Mr. Alex ander Smyth, the committee rose, report ed progress, asked and obtained leave to sit again, Adjourned, 1 Jjr 8 TUKSJK1Y, J.LY. 22, 1822. THE NEXT PRESIDENT. The question. Who shall be cur next President ? is warmly agitated in some of the Western papers ; and is discussed with a spirit, and, we may say, violence which show. that, however pure and patri otic the motives of the writers may osten sibly be, they are such as we think no good man can approve of. To commence the discussion of this question at so early a period, (not a year having elapsed since merits of thc subject. On motion of Mr. Johnson, of Ky. the blank left in thc bill for thc salary of the Superintendant of the road was filled with 1000 dollars. Mr. liaton hoped the Senate would tion sundry resolutions proposing certain the present incumbent was inducted into alterations in the existing laws for lay- office,) is, we think, rather impolitic ; and ing and collecting duties on importations. to commence it with such views and in I hese resolutions embrace a svstem of . ... ... , . u .... ... I such a snirif. is at anv timp nmreniiinhlp. measures resemblinsr that contained in 1 ' J 1 - thc bills reported at former sessions by and deserving the reprehension of every the committee ol manufactures, and shall honest and prudent politician. hcreaiier be published at iarge.J in selecting a candidate for the Presi- I he resolutions were referred, on mo-f , .1 n - u u 1 u tion ot thn author, to a rnmmirtpp nf th I ' ' J , M. . . - whnip I he wa3 lrom nortn or soutn ot the roto- Mr. Vance laid on the table the follow-1 mac, east or west of the mountains, -but, ing resolution, which lies on the table Ts he honest is he capable ?" These one day of course, according to rule : .lfmlfl lin the miaiiflcations. honesty and jtesoiven, 1 nat tne becretary ot V ar be ch- ai : v, .1, r 1 I CniUttll, lit V1U1JI 0. 1 t iUUllU) he from the south or the north, from e cast or the west, let him be the man. chanics, agriculturists, explorers, survevors, mes-1 The following resolutions, Sec. on the sengers, or expresses, with their names; what sub- ct of the next President, breathe a number ot said persons hold appointments di-j . . r . .... rectly irom thc government ; what number from spun 01 moderation ai-.u nueiaiuy cnarac." Governors of Territories, superintendents, andriinr nf th SontW Cnrnlinrin . .1 1 . . 1 .--' v agents, with tne pay ana emoluments ot each: ; r.of "1 t-ix- in,;ri t. K.ri,. ,.,.! rccted to communicate to this house the num travelled on thc road. He rose only to i L?f Peons. employed in the Indian Depart- be . , . . . . iwvjin, ;is MiperuiieiKiams, iacxors, atrents, suo-a- make this remark, Without going into the Ucnts. interpreters, missionaries, tearhprs. rmJ th 1 ; also, the amount of money put into the hands of consent to postpone thc further consider- ! each governor, superintendent, and agent, since judge whether they could spare anv pat i Part of the inquiry proposed bv the res of their eight dollars. For himself, he I olution. As he would wish to retain the had little hope, judging from experience, that he should have much to spare at the end of the session ; for however well he might be able to live at home on the pro duce of his farm and his garden, he, and he presumed every other gentleman, found the difference here. This, Mr. J. admitted, was a time for the exercise of economy, and he w?s as willing as any one to conform strictly to the spirit of a true economy ; but he contended it was most consistent with true economy to power of inquiry in the hands of the Sen ate, to be exercised, if it should hereafter be deemed necessary, he would prefer laying the resolution on the table ; and, as that motion would take precedence of the other, Mr. L. moved that the resolu tion be laid on the table. Mr. Macon said thc subject had been brought before Congress by two states, and it was thc general practice to treat a proposition, from even a single state, with tne respect 01 considering it. lie thought give to public seivants, in responsible therefore, that thc course on this subject stations, a reasonable, at least, if not a I had been a little indecorous towaH thi liberal compermuon. There were other i states which had instructed their mem ation of thc bill for some days. It pre scnted a question w hich required deliber ation. He had seen enough and heard enough latterly about ttate rights, and it was proper to proceed cautiously to the adoption of any measure which might possibly produce further collision with the states. He moved that the bill be postponed to next Wednesday wee which motion prevailed, and Thc bill was postponed accordingly The Senate spent some lime on Execu tive business, with closed doors, and then Adjourned. the 1st of January, 1820, to defray the expenses ot that Department, and how it has been applied. Mr. Stewart submitted for considera tion the following resolution : At a public meeting of the Members of both branches of the Legislature of tho State of South-Carolina, held on the even ing of the ISth December, 1821, at thc Hall of the House of Representatives, at HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Amongst the petitions presented this day, was one by Mr. Little, from the city of Baltimore approbating the measures pursued by the government in civilizim the Indians, deprecating the attem ccntly made to arrest the course humane plan, w hich has commenced with such fair prospects of success, to be ruin ed in the morning of its increae, Sec. Mr. (7 timer, from the committee ap pointed to consider the subject, reported joint resolutions, making approptiations for carrying into effect the articles of agreement and cession entered into be tween the United States and the state of Georgia, on the 24th of April, 1812, and for other purposes ; which were twice read and referred to a committee of thc whole Mr. Camfibelly from the committee on the subject, reported thc following bill : lie it enacted, ifc. That from and after the 3d da)' of March, one thousand eight hundred and twenty-three, the House of Representatives hall be composed of members elected agreeably to a ratio of one representative for every forty thousand persons in each state, computed ac cording to the rule prescribed by the constitu tion of the United States ; that is to say, w ithin the state of Maine seven ; within the" state of New-Hampshire six; within the state of Massa chusetts thirteen ; within the state of Rhode Isl and two ; within the state of Connecticut six Resolved, That the committee of Ways and rrtt,lmh.i . fvl. Sami.pl V ,rrpn. of .r, Means be instructed to report a bill applying - 3J . n j . .1 - the unexpended balance of the monevs Appro- dleli having been called to the Chair, pnated bv the act ot the od ot March, 1819. for ll,c IU11UW1"K r rcamuic aim resolutions- completing the Cumberland Road, to the pur-j were adopted : , Fuc u, ,CH...8 Wnf.nF.As, the next Presidential Election, how- MY. nanuotin suggested that, accord- ever distant, is becoming an object ct increas ing to the usage of the Treasury, the ap- JnS" interest throughout the United States; and propriation referred to in the resolution .wl.e,as1it is apprehended, that in selecting an L,i a ,i. individual worthy of this distmqtusncd honor se- tiuvi v.vfi3i.u unit ucici iiiiiicu, iiavimr nrpn 1 1 . . . .. " , ' JC41lrious diilerences mav ar.se, involving sectional carried to the credit ot the surplus fund, divisions of armWYnno-mtiiHr - nr,,. Mr. Lathrofi said, that, if the resolution the bare apprehension of w hich obviously enfor had proposed an inquiry into the cjciedi- Ices the expediency of the People of this Union encrj of the measure, he did not know that trmnS' .tneir c.ves "pon some individual who pon some individual who he should have any objection to it. But, L ZY C5? nct zmi esteem ,. nt f , ' 01 the Jorth, the A est, the East and the South;, wnnoui inoic iniormauon than he now who. remote from anv rnnnpvir.n with a raMnol- 111711111' I 11 . ..r... - I ' f - . . ", j possessed, lie siiouid leel himsclt obliged succession, shall be brought forth truly, strong Pf.s r?" j to vote against it in its present imperfect h' antl indubitably, as the atiomi candidate ot this slinpC. Be it llexolved, "That it is the sense of this Un request ot the mover, thc resolve was then ordered to lie on the table. Mr. Rich of Vermont, moved the fol lowing resolution : Resolved, That the committee of Wavs and Means be instructed to prepare and re'nort a bill, providing for a moderate annual increase of duties for a term of vpnrc imnn th -Meeting, w hilst we feel of such commodities as can, with the protection thc c!ectl0n ot Mr- Low-xdes would confer the common in othrr rrmntrW snrl 1 ,.nvn;An. nun important niessinrson our country ; yet wc plication of the means of the citizens of the IM ani Satisfcd, that remote from all feelings of . nited Mates, mestic maten is. Meeting, tinder the existing state of public opin ion, in reference to our next President, that no individual in thc Union unites more entirely the qualifications for this station, w ith the prospect of success, if the election be left entirely with the People, than our distinguished fellow-citizen Wyi. Lowxdes. lie it Resolved, That it is the sense -of this Meeting, whilst we feel a full conviction that he means ot the citizens of the U- , "" lV1 1C.,,,"L-J V - "'JS U1 be produced in abundance from do- !ta!e Partlity, if an individual more highly gl ials, and. for i mnrlrat ..r, tecI possessing stonger claims than himself, and on similar domestic commodities : to commence I , re "nanimousiy supportea, snouid be produc- at a convenient period, and be made annually pro gressive, till it shall have reached an amount deemed proper for a permanent excise duty. The resolution was ordered to lie on the table. The house then took up the unfinished business of Friday last, in committee, Mr. Hugh Nelson in thc chair, being the bill making partial appropriations for the mil itary service for 1822. The item under consideration is the appropriation of S100-, 000 for the Indian department. cd as a candidate, this State, impelled by the same patriotism which, has uniformly guided her determinations, w ould cheerfully acquiesce in the superior pretensions of such an individu al ; hut, w here such an individual is to be found, is a difficulty, not easily to be surmounted. lie it therefore, Resolved, That Wm. Lowxdes, of Soudi-Carolina, is a person well qualified to fulfil the important duties of the Presidency of the United States, and we do recommend him to the good people of the several States, at the en suing election. He it further Resolved, That the foregoing Resolutions be printed in the Gazettes of Co . lumbia and Charleston.
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