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THE .is IT JS'Ii ICAL M C EID JS 4m r S; THE RECORDER FRIDAY, APRIL 9,1852. Special Notice. . The Publisher of the Recorder ha now sent account tn all ihn intUhtpr! for more than one Year for the paper. We hope these bills will be promptly paid. Our readers will recollect the term3. If payment is made in advance, the price of the paper i two dol lars per years if payment be delayed antil the end rf ih vMr- the cost of the paper is three dollar. Four dollars will be received in payment for two years' subscription, when the payment is made at the nf the second Year. If any ' person shall O , receive a bill for the Recorder who has paid his sub scriplion, the mistake will be rectifiedhy a reference to the number of the paper acknowledging the pay ment olhe money. Should a person forward money 'and not see the receipt in tire paper after waiting week or two, he will confer a favor by writing to the Publisher, stating the facts and requesting to,know if the letter has been received. . v ' Baptism. On Saturday last, the ordinance of baptism was ad ministered by Rev. Thomas VV, Tobey , Pastor of the Raleigh Baptist Church. Eighteen persons sirmales and twelve females were immersed. , From the time of the coming ot brother Reynold son to your city, until the present, fifiy-seyen persons Lave been baptized into the fellowship of the church, and eight have been received by letter. Two who have been received by the church as candidates, are yet onbaptized. Creed of a Denomination sometimes known as an Anti-Creed Denomination . The following- Creed which we have received from an esteemed brother, is one adopted by many mem bers of at Denomination which some are pleased to call an Anti-Creed Denomination. Our readers may be pleased, to have an opportunity of becoming ac quainted with it. It is copied from VVinebrenner's popular work. .It may also be found in the Chris tian Sun of Jan. 28th. u In the same way: he makes us strangle one an other on1 Rom. vi. 1.? Some Baptists, f it seems, do not perceive the force of the argumehUwhich others ground on tnis passage, wen, is mis a aiuerence as to the meaning of the.word? At the very worst, it is only the loss of a sinele argument an argument, Jiowever, which I would hold, were an angel to re ject it. Must a cause fall, it all its supporters do not support it with all tne 6ame arguments i" We believe that the following explanation of the part of the chapter referred to, which speaks of bap tism, is the one generally received by the Baptists " Examination of Rom. vi. 3. The apostle Paul, bavins: strongly and fully stated salvation to the guiltiest of men, through grace reignj rig througn right eousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord, anticipates, in the beginning of the sixth chapter of his epistle to the Romans, the objection that in every ase has been made to his doctrine : 'Shall we con tinue in sin, that erace may abound IV He refutes this objection by the fact, that from out union: with nnst oy taitn, we nave aiea aiong wun mm. aim that we have died along with Christ, he proves from our baptism. Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus iJhnst, were uapuzeu mio his death V Something is here supposed to .be im plied in baptism, of which no Christian should be ignorant : and that thing is, that all who are baptiz ed, are by that ordinance exhibited as dead along with Christ. To be baptized Jnto Christ's d&th is not merely to be baptized into the faith of his death, but of our own death with him. For if our death along with hjm is' not implied in being baptized into his deathMlfen this would be no proof at all of our wn aeauv - cui ii is our own aeaiu wnu vuush that the apostle is proving by our baptism into Christ death. The third verse would be no proof of what is asserted in th urnnd verse, if our bap tism into Christ does not imply onr death in his death. .therefore we are buried with mm, ny oaptism, into death.' As in Christ's death, we have died with him; so in baptism, we are figuratively put into the grave along with him. Words cannot more plainly teach anvthins: than these words declarer that in baptism ire are buried with Christ. Baptism, then, must not only contain a likeness to burial, but that likeness is emblematical. There may be resemblance between two objects, and to exhibit that likeness in words is a beauty in language. ' Uut if tne HKeness is merely accidental, it is only a figure of speech, and can teach nothing. To found an argument on such ground, would be the extravagance of fanati cism. Homer compares the falling of his heroes headlong from their chariots, to the diving of water fowl.! But this 'resemblance is merely accidental, and the victc had no intention of giving an emblem only permitted, as of old, in case of the Clinic r or in present danger of death S ?.V j Lastly; Archbishop Tillotson. Anciently those who Were baptized put off their garments, which sig nified the putting off the body of sin, and were im mersed and buried in water, to represent : their death to sin ; and then did rise up out of the water, to sig nify their entrance upon a new - life.; . And to these onatnm th anostle alludes when he savss 'How shall we that are dead to sin lire any longer therein r Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized. into his death ? There fore, we are buried with him by baptism-' f Vol. I p. 403. t . ; , '- ' Chrysostom proves the resurrection from the apostolic mode of baptism.. Our being baptized and immerged in the water, and our rising again eat ot it, is a symbol of our descending into hell or the grave, and of our returning from them. Chrys, Horn. ii. 1 Cor. p. 6S9. ' ' : - - - Indeed, only try sprinkling or '.ponring in. these passages, and how will it sound? Know ye not that so many of us as were poured into Jesus Christ were poured into his death ? Therefore we are buried with him by pouring into death r Or let n try sprink led. Know ye not that so many of a as were sprinkled into Jesus Christ were sprinkled into his death ? Therefore we are buried with him by sprink ling into his death ! It is certain, then; this Terse requires immersion. But note, the Apostle here de clares that all who are baptized arc so juried," . Baptist Noel thus writes. j r- "Know ye not that when men are baptised, they are by vowt covenant, and profession 113 i.lnto the beliet of a crucitled bovior us from it; and do. profess we renounce it. as dead to it fotK Therefore in our baptism: we awif 5itf&aartie water, as signifying our'covenint loiRii'Siont that as he was buried for sin, wo are dead. imW' buried to sin ; that as the gloriou pewer of God. raised him from the dead, so we should rise up to liye to him in newness and holiness of life." Batfer,. "All who had been baptised unto the name and religion of Jesus had received the sign nod made the profession of communion with him, and; conformity to him in his death, that in virtuoTol'U3Sruying for their, sins, they should die to all sin. , This profession was equivalent to being buried with Christ, as dead with him. ' The baptism of a converted, Jew or Gen tile was a professed manifestation of his death to sin, and it was a professed introduction -to l4 walking in newness of life." Scott. ? "We, by being baptized into his death, are con ceived to' hare made a similar translation ; in the act of descending under tho whaler of baptism.to have resigned an old life, and in tha act Descending to emerge into a second, or new life." Chalmers. The act of baptism denotes dndioation to the service of him in whose name we are baptized. One of its desgins is to dedicate or consecrate us to the service of Christ.- Xlius (I Cor., x., 9) the Israelites are said to have been baptized onto Moses, i. e.t they . who .died,l?r-fim to save that reiflJ!5 by which bf"J-Vi come i of diving ; n& could any argument be grounded on the likeness. When a uerson divs in bathinsr, he became consecrated, or dedicated, or bound to him might be said ta be buned in the water; and mere BS luclt ieaf anu ww-giver. m me piace oeiorc would be as good a likeness in this to Christ's burial, argument oi me aposue is ,eviuenuy arawn VDn oo ;n th i;L-ana ; ,. . "um luc onpposmon mat we iiave oeen solemnly dental, not emblematical. No argument could be ,3",?nbLbafU,in" he service o CUnst. By . , - b . . . rr.t - tlie solemn profession made at our baptism we had drawn from this, to prove a dying with Christ 1 his become Jead to f. M Cbrjst wa9 dtQ th , irnn In ha i rr ain rK- , Uti Konfiam ie nnt o tl mTrP . . i 0 "Nearly, if not quite oU of them would agree in 17 TZ??: ' fcZ uen he was buried ;as he rose b' following RPntimpnta- " r--y j " lwu.i.uiuU.. .v.-v... ituui ui-am, so we, oeing maue tieaa q sin ana tlie f , 10uk S -IT thL -.i,tf.,i i;t f .ft. tV I ness 13 mtentionaL and the action performed is sym- world by that religion whose profession? is expressed . I. lhat trod is the rightful arbiter of tfie uni- . ; .ht Jm .: i t-.r- 1 ; the source and fountain of all good. Jmatelv ar?ue from hnth as from hnntism. This dis- Hess ."-Barnes. U BUOri OI llrw.tlfln i elf ;,Jnt anA eUH RnA ihnt if la nf I " lO be 1antizA1 nntn Pliri.t fin CK4ttim tm Ktv- iue gtury oi wu. . . , , . decisive imnortance. From not understanding it. vona aoubtto be baptized u.ito this, tha, each should 3. "Jhat with Uod there is forgiveness: but that Urm0 h JLi. u -.i fi,i profess his "cdmmnion with Christ: tSat each bv ncere,repentance apd reformation are dispensa- ia the meani f ba Jsm corresponding T T 8!n.an?. ?oy. Aouid ble to the forgiveness of sins. - . : - to nlantinr. as to burial. Planting ?8 a metanhorl vowiftt he had beloved in Chn.t-yitnnSa, 4. "That man constituted a fair moral agent ,u i...ki.- m a5- tn.,, oaa.- ,1 and made eatable of obevimr the irosnel. "u4 tut" uc " 4UC',CM""" "v u.w. L ne sense is ... as many of us & have bceJr . r 0 - . . limDOr. . U.nntixll. ri..:..l 1 Oi i - . I 5. at through the agency of theHo bouis in tne use m means are convene regeneraiea br lhe eOTV Or the Father, even o we also should Christ i. f,;,h .,,,l'U f " e" .L,.t cuu O J ""I I j -- maw luvttii vi Ktvrr91tJ itv iunu f UTqIIt in naivnnee a( K(a ) ' T1aa ma caa 4riofr Unliem nf tl!Mi ...:d. rL..'n 1.1 a...L Ti i . - rrt . , - i t i p - rr wn, ju t ntno ui inc. : iiciv ho dcg liicl - unuuoiu i cunug viae uiiiuu wiiu VUflsuiH un IICV taut cm and raised again for our justification, that through He dies Wlth Christ t0 sin . he rises with him lo a U equivalent to tbis, "to ie united t& Christ To be his example, doctrine, death and fesurrection, and new life of h0iih.s, Thpr. mnf. thn. h Rome- baptized unto Christ in the style of Pa. does not de- . nt..ui on kna mnA. en ln; r;l I . . . " " I r i . J ' ... f is calculated to be an emblem nf:ie ?inMPm,?H reugion oi -n r.-: tuc vfosiw, oui tne act or nean ny wnwaone accents tj. , . i ri : .! ivo (svuwu. o-o inn agui a uuuaii , iuiiuwuii l . i - v . . i , ,. . . , . . t i, - ti . . i - ,u einances o oe ooserveu oy an true qenevers ; and f0my intercession, be has made salvation possible to every lhing baptism, that one, and is the only Saviour of lost nnners. : " r THTbat Baptism and tha Lord's Supper are or, r!""1 '"tw" that religipn, an act of wtich snLrnWf ru?,r"f, r"lof baptism was the public and prdaiiL Ifezressi66 . v w-'- - . ' - r i - r I in ail SJil najtncr a In. riat isrn rf hnfi3ri im to the rite ir we aave beenfn anted. ioihi inlthet.-i.-i.L -nrri;.U .'jt.- V TAl u ,7rVr f r " t " TrA-r'" llkenessflof nis death, we shall be also in the JJkess that Vemony wV the,' piescrlbeaSofessloB-VU 01 pe itoiy uiiost.- . , : . - I : of his resurrection.' In our bautism.: then, w are mdeeJfrhThinsIatin X- o. - mai a iiie oi waicmumess ana prayer, oniy Amh!AmJti.!ll U.;.l ;-tl.a .;. rKf at wl Fom ti.u i, ia tKot i i - : t!: ; i. ,i : - i ..-.v. ... w " .i i.., . - -. - i --c," i - -.rep i;. uu. jaiHug cuu.c ineiu lu a!go emblematically rise with him. It is designed ought to be baptized : J. xiecause t live in a justified state and ultimately receive to them lo point to our mvn resurrection, as well as the res- said to be consecrated to Christ by CrK0.?6 raa -1 u " ; V r r urrection of Christ; In baptism, we profess our faith if. ttue ofnone but, believers, a. Beta . 9. ' That there will be a resurrection of both the ;n thp , n, nact 'nA ; iL h o, ftr.v w ht de to 8n and rise to a new life, wr vers alnn tO I olan emKlomrli"llr risa iiriih liim Tt ia AtidirnaA I OlHrllt to lirt lnntiZR(l: 1. Ijmm)S the 'IliRntivol ar vtnuii. i4v.ikiij ,n uiiut , it ia , uwiuuu i cj r r . j- .... MBU si. uj.uijusin, wnicn Betfturb the baptized rhipB.aonc do ut just and unjust. ; . . . . . simnlicitv. what beautv. what edification is contain- tnie Severs. As the baptired are sAd to die rfnd TO. w lhat Uod has ordained Jesus Christ ludge, in tutl ' ;. t u. h u-'k;' w r?se again, the passage can not meati that baptism &c &c . . I V i 7i a." w" . "'V I s merely emblematic of what they ouiht to do. , Its Some Presbvterian Dreachers are ouotins-Jndon Lj T- -" expressing what they ougbt to tio wwuld not prove and rSn?JSe?MS mlS S doef this ordl nance present the truth that saves the tUat they did ity Either, then, the bapW pePrson9 .u: d..-- r "-7' - 1 now acmiraoiy is it caicuiaiea to recall me really died and.rose aaain in a spirituaJ.sense in ban r.r."'" quoting, me oio o ;i mind to a v;ew of th e eround of h ope, that is caku- tism and then they were real bcllet.-or else thev iiomaus as lavonn? immersion, is tnis so or not ' tt...i. -i. i ; . i.i- j . .. .. i ; - ' -1 liiiea 10 silence linnpiipi w Hnw i it inai a vn in- i u en ana rose airain nroiesseuiv. ana men inev wro i . i . . ' "It is stransre lhat eood men will tell untruths. uercan escape the wrath of God, and obtain eternal me i How is it that Christ's work is aval able for When our PreshvtPrian brethren nnnt Jnitsnn hp- IUe f ow IS It that Christ'5 i kftr wp hn thnt ih vriu .v. l,;. o,f 1 Whv' when Ch"st our dcbt, we ourselves . - Ar . - t. . , , . Zl ' have paid our debt, for we are one with Christ. AVe In the 5th American Edition of his sermon on Bap- have died with Christ, and have risen with Christ; tism, published by Gould, Kendal and Lincoln, page Christ's death i3 our death ; Christ's pu rial is our 18, he makes the following remarks : J professed believers. Either sense proves that, accord j ing to this text, none but true believers onght to offer themselves for baptism, and none. but those who make a credible profession of faith ought to, be received to baptism." . .. If any one wishes more upon this subj'ect, we will burial ; Christ's resurrection . is ' our resurrection : ?ive hereafter the views of Pengilly, JeVett, Turnby C!hrifttft Rlttinor in rtAuranlt nUna - ia rnw cittinf , in I and n Ii ost nf rit)ir Wp tliinV flmt ron rrli haa -Bamisuiw uy ii awmic ram fcreaieuiy com- hPaV(ii vn-irpa" tMnin tn 9 hiinal In nni naeuiM hk iann n . miJ .1 . to he buried teith Christ bv bantism. and in another. Remington thus expresses his opinion to be buried vith him in baptism, and. to be therein "I consider that a careful examination ol this pas, The Westminster Review. The January num- nswi xrii wn. : sasre establishes the fo lowing, i. That bant sm is i oer oi ieonara iscou ana km. s rennnt oi tnis tteview "Whether haptism'in these passages denotes exter- here used as a metaphor, by which to represent thel has been issiipd The nir!i wnrkrla now in th nal or spiritual baptism, h is evident that the figure death, burial, and reswrreetion of Christ. 2. Of the , . " . derivesall its propriety and beauty from some im- Christian's death to sin, and resurrection to spiritual tands of J- hapmah, Esq., of London.?- The price me. uoserve tue wo pnrases. nurtea wun nim oy i ipniu is Auree i.'ouars per year. baptism, ana ounea wim mm tn baptism. I he one referring to the act of baptism, and the other to the . 1 - V . . -.' pueu resemoiance oeiween me exiernai nie ana a burial y nor can it be imagined that the Apostle would have ever compared baptism of any kind to a burial, had there been no such resemblance. i " When we ace said to be spiritually circumcised. tn putting, off the body of the sins of the flesh, there is an evident allusion to the nature of the external right ot circumcision ; and the propriety of the figure I tne passage in question II . TT T I: II . T Mt f the bantijied - ' It U rlin lht uminVlin. n. 1 ISlOR K nASD-UOOi.-UWIS KAXOV, .SO- Ol not answer this figure, and nothing short of, nothing New" York, has published a small work bearing the but immersion is intended by it." above title which we take measure in 'recommending Hear what Dr. Fuller of Baltimore says, respecting to the ministers of the gospel who may read our pa per. It comprises selections from Scriptufe atrang depenua i sojeijr on-ine TesemDiance-wn,cn can be Observe, the apostle expressly says Aat we are ed for the various occasions of official duty together traced, betweea the external rite j and the spiritual 'buried by baptism' and $ aprwri,' 4 He'also calls ;,. . -ri .,.At. opeTauon. . . , it a planting.', lie then adds, that in baptism there , ' . , , . u W hen raul was exhorted to be baptized, -and to is not only a burying, but a rising. The pretence cer for cuurcues .ecclesiastical ana other assemblies washatcail his sins, there was an evident allusion lolthata spiritual burial is here meant conflicts directlv I Everv minister should own anH n'eolko hnnb r VV the use oj water, m tne ordinance of baptism: and wl'V?e,rJwom oi uou. mat word says, ! fy L pomerov has the wort W MU ' 'Xt-A k - V r . I and in the act tsf hn ntim tK. ...hit l h.,,;S,l Tk. 1 "'""VJ lne WOrK tor Sale, uclu iucic uccii uu aiiuiaauuu vj wmer UU WHICH IUI . . . r... .v .,v. mulvu, - ground such an allusion, we may be certain that wel1 cie.igMn iwe lowim cnange vee should never have heard of washing away sins in l011) ,eak3 of the external baptismal bantism- f I I'lcS!5iU" V usi. ; ; " . . ' ' . I . " Ai for Wkat I! uimMimM ii1 nlinnl lhi anoianl According v none are ever sairt tn hp wiinhoil m l " r-. - , .. . . .. "... . J : "V . : moaew Dunrmg, ana tne assertion mat-Christ was Circumcision, oecauae mere is no i resemblance be- not buried,! can hardly think our brethren ' serious picu.m iuc pu vosuuigoo aisgk mougn iwejwhenjwrite such thines. Theidesis vsknplr a p, to" be crucified with (being covered and hidden. . The manner ls nothing. Pinet Grove Church. Three dellars have been received from the members of this ciiuxsii for the N C. Baptist Mission House, fil . . vt- t Also from David Wells" three dollar's and from, sis- ier o- j-,ong live uoiiarsior me same puriwse. are saia, in a spiritual sense, io be crucihed withtbeine covered and hidden.. The manner , Is nothing Christ, we are not said to be crucified with hkn in As to Christ's burial, the apostle says j Christ was baptism or circumcision; because there is no resem- buried- and rose again on the third day4i Arid Jesus, blance between those rites' and crucifixion. . referring to his burial, employs thw very-idea of the "No are we ever said to be buried in circumcis- PassaBe oefore Us, For as Jonas was three days and Not. 13t that tha first of; June "'to tbff end of orta-ae-risen. Is Innersion by an unbaptized. Blinlsier Valid Baptism V 1 x. The following article written by our lamented bro. Meredith, a number ot years ago, has been found among hi. papers. Thinking it will pr.ve ulghly in teresting to many of the readers of the Recorder, we now publish it. The article appear, to be a reply to one written in the Christian Index. QcERT. Should those persons who have been immersed on a profession of their faith, by Pedobap tisr administrators, be rebaptized before they can be admitted to fellowship in a Baptist church lLhris tian Index.' .---.- - On account, of the manner in which this enquiry has been stated, it seems to admit of a doubt wheth er it relates to the validity of the rite in the case sup posed, or to the proper subject of church fellowship. But as it has been taken for granted both by your, self and brother M.; that the allusion is exclusively to the validity of the ordinance, I shall take the lib erty to do the same. The" question before us is therefore neither more nor less than this, Is the-or-dinance of , Baptistn valid when administered by ; a person who has not been immersed 1 ij ' . To this question, thus stated, it seems to me the answer must be plain, from a slight attention to thf following considerations. , . ; ,-,.r What are the essentials of a lawful and valid Bap tism 1 Evidently the prescribed act, performed up on a properly qualified subj'ect, by a properly author ized administrator, and in the name of the sacred Trinity. ; If all these indispensable constituents ne present, the ceremony will be valid, but if any of them be absent it will be altogether null. For ex ample if the act be wanting, there can be no Bap tism, because the identical operation which . consti tutes the substance of the ordinance and gives name and character to the whole proceeding is left outf it is on this ground that Baptists call in question the validity of the sacrament, when the act of aspersion or effusion is substituted for ah att of immersion. So also if the person receiving the ordinance be a Jew or a Greek, or a Heathen, or an Infidel, or any other than a professed and supposed believer in Christ, although every other requisite be present, the subject will be defective and of course the sacra ment will be invalid. It ion this ground that Bap tists withhold their assent from the rite when admin istered to infants. In like manner also if the cere mony be performed in the name of Mohamet,, or of Moses, or of Paul, or of any other person or party thaiKthe Holy Trinity, it can be of no avail, because the great and distinguishing peculiarity of Christian Baptism is laid aside. And on the same principle, although there may be nothing objectionable in the act, the subject, or the name invoked, yet if the rite should be solemnized by a Mohametan, a Jewish Rabbi, a Heathen Priest, or even a common unbe- iever, it would necessarily be invalid, and that for the obvious reason, that a properly authorized ad ministrator would be wanting. All this is so plain it appears to me that nothing further is necessary to secure the concurrence of every person at all ac quainted with the subject. t; We inquire in the second place, what are the qual. ificationsnecessary to constitute a. properly, author ized administrator tt It is necessary for our present purpose to answer this question only so far as to say that he must have been baptized himself. That a person ho has bn regularly; baptized, nd J who adds to this alf other necessary qualifications is au- thorizeS toradminiittl the ordinance, the Scriptures abundaatljr testify; -And if it should be suppo?ed that a person may be qualified and yet lack baptism, the proof must be produced before the supposition tan be' sastained or admitted. Accordingly all de nominations of christians who practice Baptism at all, so far as I know, proceed upon the principle that a person who tias not submitted to the ordinance him self, is wholly imcompetent to administer it to others. I will only add that if Baptism be not an indispensa ble qualification for the administration of that sacra ment, it is folly to contend that that is an institu tion designed exclusively for the christian church ; for if it may be received of one who has never been baptized, it must be received of one of course who has'neverbeen visibly connected with a body of ac tive believers. All this, I think, is too obvious to need further argument. , I now come to enquire in the third place, whether our Pedobaplist brethren have been baptized. If they have, then aspersion'or effusion is baptism, and our distinctive sentiments as Baptists must be aban doned;, ' If they have not, they are destitute of an indispensable qualification for the administration of the ordinance of Baptism, and of course that ordi nance, when administered by them, must be null and void. . This may be considered as saying a great deal, but it is certainly saying no more than we arc compelled to say if we .would be consistent, so long as wf retain our present opinions respecting the necessity of an act of immersion in the Baptis mal sacrament. 1 1 must therefore think that the pro posed query'has been clearly and conclusively an swered ia the affirmative. . With your permission my "good brother, I will now make a few passing remarks upon some of the state ments found in your replies. :- ; . -, i . f Your illustrations are not it seems to me quite analogous. If the , officiating magistrates in the ca ses to which you refer, were in the view of the law unqualified to solemnize the rite of marriage, it' Is DrJ-Dawson writes,, tinder "3ato, &f tlangoon, ov. 13- that tha first of ;Jnnft." fa ihri nl Af e-rlsen therein to newness of life.? Such ree Jf 'Sj 19 iB,the rt!a belly, so shall the Son bf October. 6 A 34. ttppHcanta ,ladf bflca aided at wouldbahigh hMtfo"9 ln hea' dbpryiDeLionJs ta impart ite of chcfeion. L : TK ' t I F? tbt lasoP. we n?1 suref that Uersion ; and I agree with Koppe and Ro if baptism had consisted in sprinkling or pouring, or that there is reason to4 regret ii should h beings washed ia i has so evident a reference to the mystic sense of interest : , ud.of being buri- baptism. t . vS . ' VIS resemblance," be- " Rosenmnller, (on the passage). 4 Immersioul fn V I L ' , resurrec-l Ri.irifii,i ti.. s. t i i.ij.l rfilnTi.ins ' mfstnirrtinn tn ail tshA ttT T!oi-n" MAIVWK 9 1RIB IfUIII, TU Tl UiaiUIT I O - "T . . w V HIUiiUKT" a reference to the ancient mode of baptism by im-1 Some dlsput3,B0me ask 7 Tespcctful flUCStions regret it ' should have been The fol jsenmuller 80mo assent, a few stop their cars any partial application of water whatever, though! abandoned in most Christian ehureii. rxu llowinS extractslromhis letter wdt bo tead with : vi i . i i i .. . .... ' . even divine inspiration, we Jiave invincible proof we might possibly have heard of bein Vvftam xxra cKrvi . Lrl nacra wpuOU) . . uMw.Mi ue iig iiuii-r-f-- . : .1 : " I , , TisiT'or vs. awn una rf in h9Titim.-:fnrhra Koir - k- 1 ' " KOSenmnllKP fnn tli iiu T : ' f I i i , . , , w , u v... .v. nv.. ,in.ius UU . ICSCtUUIdlllrC) UCI ' r " I' ' IHIIUCIOItW III I P 1 , . tween such applications of 'water and a burial. there e water oi baptism and eommg forth oat onr, w Js A iew uays ago i.ur. ana airs. . VintOU left could have beenno proprietyjin, penresentinffi ban-l 8Tmbo ,l persoa a renouni9g hi. former JiTeJthis place to return to Maulaata.; -Their com . j u w - . : j lanu.on us contrarv. b!rinninr n now nn Tl,a I : -jt -, . - -. uaui uuuer euvu tv usuic. . .i -f ,: , . .. ' . "- i iue uero u::ituer exciuu , ODDOxinnn nor an. But-there is a: confessed' resemblance betwe 8CCOn" 01 sniclon. and no Question wni Vviri ft immersien.ana aburialf aad siaeeJthe Phrase. rTrT?-Urvl f r,; . by higlst authonty. Church- WX ; 4 a, fa UQUZ (0WarrJ3 missioniriea that ri, "Dft Knapp.an eminent ao pious frwmn divine, m tbisBectioa f B.irmab t Our God batb here rhM varbi lire mHimmmilMl hv n. .....L I . . , t( biv own causs our gratitude. tee other authors,? who ; say - that the Baptists are 1 bre from baptized persons, as they were faim'erped Kw- MtirMiin.. t. TJ,- iLl- v--- . a muwtuvui' ucj opCUS' UCVWCVU IWO BDa Vfeekt i With us seeing and .bearing for l.Uudinsr to the a.ncient jnjr read in the writings of some leuobaptist author.! mersion, n STtomnt tm atinir ihvt tKaVKantav nfamu? ' Ottby, On Rom -..r- . r.. ,v.j..y...s Wp onith N TmK, . j r Pf"" w. B wan . wees me not favor the views of the Baptists, but; we. believe teamed worvV3 ""1 ".TLr r"Ir report of their arrival spread tbrowbUbe Kkrea that among Baptist writers,4here is a gTeat degree jRom. vi,:4,and Colossii. i a, that we are buried with j)cg,eB witlna speed that wdudd have dene cred- .u wojiuaui.DT. oemg ounea unaer water ; ana i ii ' 10 t more Clvllliea r countries. ?4 1 be jRvSren that baptism consists not in spnnkUnar or . noorimr i tut in immersion." rj - ;r - in of the passage in question, say9s" We7areriike woug!!aave.1?B sS8 Tor-blS - if-ii i-j Christ, buried as dead persont by baptism, and hold w.' wbicb .we cannot repress c mo- .u-. uau tutu IUB names Ol .riif. lir.kim. in new life' Tl, t- .- I TKi ..T-nf An. f,;n. wfong.Ui quoting the 6lh' of I Romans, as favorinel1' wd- they emerged (rose again ;-kv ti., ; .... i. ' 5 rJohn Wesley, on Rom. r!..4. Buried withhim. "' 1 iBinetwuiU v ii e iic ausuiiu. recuiiecuoa oi naVHlludinV trt i.. .;-.,t. r i M:.sw 1 theniselr manner 'of baptizing by im-1 themselvea what the ix)rd is doiD in ' bis provt- . i." . x ''.--'"ifc '"'t r . I denee for tKa 'unirtf nal wtlfara Vvf ttL4. author of a commentnrMnnJ V,.tl,. 't.' 4 , . if nnanimitv in regard Ja the meanino nf th V""81 ln wapn. oy ti W. insider it nerfpetl VUr tW Ko V0010 l Chrfstiaq flocked to tbs mission bonsai in at " T. " r-- - ? j"g tu'mKueiug raxen nenee; and this immer-1 nv iJv" "-" " : A 1 -iwith: Christ by baptism must nefer 'ta immersion, . being-reUgjouslyobserwl by U tChristians-'for 0nC?". "qr? Pa tha faca of and tanothmg.else. i Carson 'makes tbe fbUarrrng reply to an oppoaent, who made a'statement somewhat similar - to that of the Presbyterian mioisters referred to in the querj of ' enr brother. Hear hjait miiwcu twiMie,na approveu py our cnurch, and " v-vuv..t uwt(uu oice q receive Dis change of it into sprinkling, even without any al- coonseljvVnd in itbeir own1 Umu to unita with low aace from. the author of this instituUonr or auy him - in Travcr A nxiona wi-a iilr inm,. Uei.nfrtnuneil of the Chureh.-'beme that ..JirJr1?. T?'"W"M' nuciuw . iur. y lULuu, jawnaea io KPttlrt hpr txkinir U'lltfh ('.it tnmnnitl still li-? tn instiTir Ytim ..f..l cfiiiscuu he laity firwere to be Swished that this PemanenUJ W open Bcboolv andnisit Uieir u i;n again oi general use, and aspersion;! caarcnes. ' " 1 ' - tJy v I rPr. to k, wh j;; we're . marriages, solemnized by BliSSionary InlClttrl- - - 1 such functionaries considered legal and valid ? Sure- the very fact of the. incompetency of the , officiating agent implied an absolute nullity on lhe part of the solemnity performed., f If therefore a marriage sol emnized by a person legally disqualified, was never theless legally valid, this must have;been in conse quence of a special legislative enactment ' expressly making it so- Now If there be any 'itnactraent in out Scriptures, making tbe trite-of 'baprisnt1 valid. when administered by an unauthorized' administra tor, then the cases must be considertd parallel, jand your reasoning must be admitted; Jo be conclasiyei But until such t legal enactment on? the, part, of jhe great Legislator of the church can W produced, we oust Uke it for granted that no sucb provision was made. ; 1 . ' ;f ' I ; ' :' r -iS & f : " V'Ybur scriptural qublations tny brother do not ap pear to me to be more happy than rour ilrustrations. You rtainly cannot; ; suppose that ' the mere facts that Peter commanded the Samaratans to be baptized, and that Paul declared that God had sent him" not to baptize, furnish anytbinglike evidence that Bap tism is not indispensable on? the part of the adminis- tor,Butif theyr do cot furnisb evidence to tbis eneci, v. must be. obvious that; they., can have ao.ef- fectual bearing on the questionin hand. ' " W y V 1 certainly eannot agree.witb ypu my dear friend ia what you bave said, Tespecting the responsibility of the subject in Baptism. That the5 administrator may sustain the greater responsibility in this case us readily admitted. But if thebe anvthihir in the Scriptu res or the facta of .the case; which shows that ?? 8?b?ect ilsln? also responsible,, or.ihat a person i aspersion uuutcum. . , . , k -'- I baptism is administered by a qualified functionary as he is to see thai it is performed by the proper act, or ia the appropriate name, it is; eviqently: important that we should be told what it is. : , ..... But if it were even certain that the recipient is free from responsibility in this matter, that circum stance in the nature o? things could never atone for a defect in the qualification's of the administrator, so as to convert a defective and unauthorized ceremo ny, into complete ana valid sacrament. It might exonorate the party from the guilt of a willful neg lect of the Baptismal Institution, on the ground of ignorance; should such ignorance necessarily exist, but it could never give existence to. the fact that He had been baptized, nor could it ever create any ma terial difference' between him and a person who bad ignorantly disregarded his baptismal obligations al together. " . t It strikes me however that ignorance : has been supposed, when, in, the very nature of the case, it cannot exist. If a given individual apply to - a Pe dobaptist administrator for baptism by immersion, the very fact that he does so, proves lhat he has some intelligible views concerning the nature and impor tance of the act, which valid baptism implies. What then are those views 1 Does be consider aspersion baptism.! Why then does he not consent to bebap tized by aspersion 1 Does he believe, that aspersion is riot baptin2 ,IIow then can the fact escape, him, that the proposed administrator has never been bap tized? The truth is, there is no possible way of ex tricating such a person from the most palpable irw consistency. The very fact that be applies for im mersion proves that, in bis own view; aspersion is not baptism. The fact that he applies to a Pedrf. baptist administrator proves that Be is willing to ad-: mit that aspersion is baptism, unless we suppose him to ; believe, what no one can believe, that the rite may be lawfully solemnized by a person who has never submitted to it, himself. To say the least, there is a contradiction and an incongruity, in such proceedings which ought to be clearly and, con clusively set forth. . -.. v Korean I wholly concur in the statements made by you, my brother, in your remarks relative to bro. M.s communication. You say in allusion to your previous observation the validity of the, baptism w a made to depend upon the qualifications, views, and impressions of the recipient. To constitute such a baptism as this, the recipient should have "a chris tian experience, right views ofjthe gospel, and a full confidence in the fitness of the administrator." " lVow my good brother, allow me to ask you, Where, is the evidence-f all this? Where is the proof that the va lidity of Baptism, or of any other rite whether religious or civil can depend upon the qualifications, views, and impression of the recipient? - I am aware of no such proof. On the contrary, if this proposition be true, it is difficult to see how we can question the validity of many of our Pedobaptist' brethren, even when performed by aspersion. It will not be doubt ed that those who make a consistent profession of faith in Christ, have a christian experience nor will it be doubted that such have generally correct views of the gospel nor yet will it be doubted, that they have the most unshaken confidence in- the fitness of! the administrator. Why then is . not their baptism "good- and valid"? It will not do to say the defect lies in '.their misapprehension concerning the act, since this cannot be greater, nor in any respect more material than that necessarily implied in the ease sup posed,; respecting the administrator.' 'Ifor-usely if a personeart'haye igbt views of tbe gospel, ahdsyet inake'amfsta&9 in relation to thti proper qualifica tions of the administrator, it is difficult "to ,see ""liow his orthodoxy can be consistently questioned, "when a .-. . . v : nis error relates to tne act. uut again, suppose a person possessing the ordinary qualifications . for the ordinance, should become, convinced of the fitness of a layman, or of a professed unbeliever, or of a jfus sleraan or a Brahmin, and should accordingly submit to the rite at the hands ot snch, -what would there be in the case, on the principle stated above, which could make his baptism invalid ? Should it be said that the fault lies in the erroneous views of the candi date respecting the qualifications of the administra tor, it is to be berne. in mind that both cases suppo ses erroneous views in. this respect, so that the only difference which exists is found in the fact,4 that the lattt r case supposes the absence of more'qualifications than the former. . ; - 1 ,-. . - , . : . --. 'j You say again, ' But if the receiyer acts in . good faith, and proceeds according to the gosjjel, then we cannot yet perceive how the bad faith of the adminis trator nullifies his baptism." It appears here," my brother, that you have made a slight mistake, With regard to the grand turning point of the question be fore us.:. The authority of .the administrator, in the present case, is to be called in question, not on ac count of his bad faith, tut of his bad baptism, not because he fs nof a leliever, but because he has nor been baptized, ' I am by no means prepared to : say that a roan's' bad faith may not disqualify him 'for the administration of a religious ordinance; but. I certainly cannot see that thereis any bad faith, on the part of most of our Pedobaptist brethren, which could, of itself, disqualify them for such administra- tration. I question the validity ' of the ordinance, when administered by snch,oey on the ground that thty have never submitted to it themselves. - For the Recorder. , . y At -t the request of the Baptist church at Salem, Lincolu county, N, a Presbytery of Elders con- sisung oi a, ADernatny, u. ts. Jones; and W. Hill, was called to examine and ordain-hrother A. J. Cans- ler,"a licentiate of that church, to the ministry. The Presbytery met with the church on Friday the 19th of March.13 Ordination sermon by Elder A. Aber- nathy from. Tt Timothy 4th chapter, first clause, 2nd verse Preach the word." .1 After the. sermon, Eld. Abernathj"; was chosen chairman of the Presbytery. The candidate having answered satisfactorily the questions proposed, Eld. .Abernathy offered the ordi nation prayer, Jlder K. ii. Jones delivered the charge. and Elder Wade IliU, presented the Bible and exten ded the right hand of fellowship. ' ? ; ' 3 ' -' Brother Cansler graduated at Chapel Hill in June 1847, and has talents that will render hini useful in the christian' ministry. He is located in- lhe midst of a field that' greatly needs ministerial labot. ;We hope that hisr extensi ve acquaintance, and qualifica tions will enable him to do much good in the Valley of the Catawba.. The JpUstjnterest in dissection is increasing beyond expectation. The field," which the Mionaryf of Jlh'e Convention occupies; fs large ft uuwu.u out vi uui uuiusiering brethreninthe Teastenr'part-of' the State1 wish a pleasant retreat in summer, let: them : come to the Valley of the Catawba, where they will be welcom ed by; manyl kind hearts.! .The Catawba Springs four miles from Beatties Ford on the Lincolnton foad, posse ses valuable mineral qualities and affords a plea sant retreat for, invalids There the weary traveller can always find a pleasant home and that which ren ders life agreeable-tindness ;.u.. ' - Should any of our ministering brethren atteaxf the Western, Convention- this year,-we hope . they . will spend some time with bro. Jones, the, missionary in ine vaiicy oi ice uatawua. . xowrs truly. - - i1" flW.FSot that" bis I . Uncchloa, llarcb 19, W52,r; t ; , For the Recorder ' ; Fortcae Telling &c. Dear-BaorToBEY his is the aP, ment. - Astonish ..rt . tiucjiis are a'i in the arts and sciences. We boast of y advantages and knowledge; oyer the anS IKauivu Muuimo) TCI 111 Ulill V rpST,.. 3 but little superiority to them., ' Superstition and belief in familiar tmin . tellers, prevail to a shameful and i3t tenC in some parts of our country" Ti,. v neighborhoods where nearly all the i inhaW1 lieve in tricting, poisoning by steppbg orer laid for that PTOf e, c- I regmthati,,- members '(be it said to their shame) Be!ieTe things, and are in "the habit of;'coatBft," tellers, . This slate of things is very mach tok gretted for several reasons. 1 r Those persons "who consult fortone ni cases ot sickness, to nna lost or stolea pro- to find out whether or not they will ever ma become the butt and ridicule of their less tioas and better, informedneighbors. y against their piety., 2. It is often productive of the greatest ti ' tion,' discord, disappointment and incredible To illustrate this,'! will give a case or 'two iut come-withi amy own knowledges Mr.- by negro, iie tooK up tne luea .mai tne negro Wif ed of.pbisoneoMuds'ted cohsnlts'V'forhttie' U She says the negro is poisoned, gives direeticaa medicine for his cure and for the detection of those V. had given the dose, &c Her statements are her instructions followed the negro dies-,w :gro in the neighborhood is suspicioned of poisoned the deceased. Great excitement anj sion ensued. The negro no doubt diedofafeTotiat was prevailing at that time, and would probaWyl been cured but for this delusive superstition; '" A, certain Jady was taken, sick, and her believed she was tricked or poisoned, consulted (j, same fortune teller, who gave 'directions, tc-, the case above. A neighbor and relation was fla, by suspicioned.' Great excitemcnt'prerailed, bors and relations put at " variance perhaps for?rtt In such - a' community 'the negroes who an; tig sick, believe that they are poisoned, or in tieiTen language, "hurt." They have no tonSdeaa i physiciansr however skilful, throw away theirs cine and secretly take medicine from some est ring negro in the neighborhood. Some white peoji do the same thing. " . . . : 3. It is sinful. r All church members who Win, in and consult diviners or , fortune tellers sboca dealt witb and expgllcd from the' church as h ur other immoral act. The Bible is plain u'poa fic Object.1'' - :;' ' Mai. 3 i 5. " I will be a swift witness against A sorcerers.7" -.: it .. ; u,., Mic. 5 : 12. "Thou shall bave !no more. :kA sayers." . : ' . . , , Bent. 18: 14. .", These nations barkened to observers of times and to diviners, but the LorJ'tkt God have not s'ufferedthee toTdo sb.'" Dent. ISi-lO, 12. "There shall nckte to among you one that ttscA divination or a tcss&r ... -i. ; ' ' ..r r . , .1 '' A- " ' wun laminar spirits, ior - an inese inuigs ut a abomination to the'Lordi' .M -''M v ' Lev. id : "31. T' Regard not them that haTcax- K Lev. 'SO:-6. "And U&V soul that tbrneth i& such as aaye familiar spirits . . ,. . I willettoj fea against that soul, and will cut him off froa i laaj his people ' ; '. Jer. 29 : 9, 1 0. , ''.Hearken not to yoar &t'm your enchanters, your sorcerers. They pro he unto you." ' : : ' j ' i From these declarations of God's word, k dent that it is very offensive to him for b consult diviners, fortune tellers, &c., for,ac- pose .whatever. Our churches should awake so 2a gubject, and deal with their members who ar$ gs& of consulting fortune tellers. . j , -!. I should be pleased to hear v from the . Ediur f some of Lis experienced corresponderits npfli subject: Geo; W fsW : Uill Hill, March 29th, 1852, - t . u , For the Recorder. , J ' .. . . Framikgiiam, Wass., Alarch silK Mr Deau Brother ; I have just, now rete nineteen dollars from &lr. J. J. Biggs (Mr. " Co&f check) collected by you for the . benefit of ia& Fullei's daughter 1 shall be ,most happy to ts& mit it, and to forward by you an; acknowledges of ihe receipt of it, as roon as l ean hear fro ft Winslow, to whom I shall send it.. It will be acceptable offering, and many prayers God on behalf of the donors. Yours truly,. V - ' :i-k S. S-Ccncft ReviTal Inielligencc. New Market Strfft niiirucn. -Foartf didatcs were , baptized bv the nastor- R -i . - . . .. . . . . - - UriCitd, last .feabhath. ' ' rj v - ' Twelfth Church, ICensikctos Tlef torttro.i-Paulm, baptized two csadHWi e Sabbatb evening last?! fciri iii Ui i 1 ;d G ekm a v t Bl PTif t C ii urch Bro. TO man , of ,tbe Geruian Church,- baptized five j didates on iSunday evening two ' of wiom Pj Roman Catholics. ' An interesting work isj going on fn tbatlcbureb;&? 'J H SVJ '' Third Baptist Church. Tbe pastor, S. Remington, will administer-the r ordlaao baptism next Sabbatb niorning, after pre5 First Camden Church!- The pastor, f T. R. Taylor," baptized Mast Sabbath three candidates. Tbe - religions interest continues.' - - i " ti . - - 5 J .West Pnn.ADELpniA.Tbo revival suHfj forward in West Philadelphia. The cbrcii joys delightful harmony, and mueb feelfflf' acterizes the tneetinjrs. The pastorfaS bath arid the Sabbatb before, baptized I or"twelvetcaiididatesJ I G erm aw tow n TEe Rev. M Kfj baptized at Germantown, Jast Sabbathci j didates. A powerful work of grace is g010' j ward in this pIac&Tberere seTCJ conviction , and quite a number , of wtZJ Tbe Hall where the iricetings are held a ded... It is in cpntenrplation iof build , a?ai house of worship imniexjiately. -Several pt es'ted friends ba7e offered to make liberal tions to carry3 forward this object. ' We tified t6 bear that thS new interest enjoy p prosperity; &.Twenly-fbur candidates,hr r baptized with in a few weeks. : -' -: Ridley, Pa. Xhe pastor, Rct ?Vf yy son, informs us, that -he baptized ; ttrd'e1 a week ago, last Sabbatbl Things arer j perous with tbeeburcb in Ridley. ' .f . V . BaltimoreMd We learn bf?lj Trne Union, :tbaVaUjbevBapt that city are ranch rprpsperedC CbnrcB are : holding! meetingr ; Viihr . ct prospecti ; tbe High Sft-eef Cflotcb;. jiwujwio , - ---a .. tif labors of Bro. Chandler, are tionv tTbey are ; free from? late ;.roV aeois, auu uuuvei 13, u.ipitoixi." - ? muiiipiyinz.. - ruuer . Dk Fuller baptizsd Sabbatb week. Chris: Chrcn:'' ... J
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