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I 4i It ad. If MOOSE CF cb.MMOX81-;Nor.l9.- ,,.. for the Choice ... .tr cnv.liA not intend to hare fi UU.omv-, -o- cbSCrtaUO ui-u -7 SO' "" 7 M Or.nge and SUburf.did not bear iti:ttVwna!Hy I vTl nrn.a-.iiuiiyiaJ, .he ihould expect Dulthe Fssnt AMcmbly-would refe tie dirrcuocs or irx uuuu r.lribunlis to dctermi tr cmei to carry it in,- effect. Tbciitnple question, how before the vojt isv wbtthcr ibe act of 1811 be bjlatu bai brought forwa.d the wri tap el ibrce cmmeni men io prwrr ib CDtKuUon intended the po clc ihtmkl tlect the Electurt and not Legislature. But does it follow, tiat bee use the peoplt fiae this righ, tacy hire cor the power Ko test it in tie Leei-.lituft. The authority of Dr. p.icstky went to provei ibat the peop'' fidnotdtcttbe Electors ihemsclTes,W ouse it had been ths practice wHen he rrotr, ror stTeitl of the Siafes to elect tbtir Electors by their Legislature, lit hctiys tbe people elect them Bat if there remained tnydoubt on this sobjrcvM'. W." thought tbat a ry Uretct io the aitides of conlcdt ration caier'the oli Oy)gtes nod compartng tbescrlion which dirt's tbe appoint ritnt of Dtlceates with the ariijle in lit ippomtmcnt cost be' removed, , as the txpiession tstd in each ate thesnrne, and it is well kaom tbe State Ltglatures elected tie De!etp!es in every initanbe, f xr ceptavtry few, in which the Goveinoi ippciaicd ihem. -The very men who formed ihe present Constitution, receiv ed their authori.y from this source. 7 I. wis statid bjr the gentleman from Si'-hbury, tla: he ws well informed thai ibe article. ii the Cor sii'.uiion di reci g 'be appointment ot Electors, was cct adopted till near the zdj utiraett of tleC'mtr.iion ; il)t it wjs Erst intend rd that tbe House of Representatives fhc'.d tlca ibe Doctors ; but the aiti c:c wis altered as it tt prcs'ent stands tcf with a direction lor the people to ltct, but in the some w nls under which ihe rrcmbm of i he Convention t id i bets selves been apppinted. , I ii to be presumed, that the S.ges tf te Aojcritin People, af.er so long a ceA-rtion, would have copied this fasagt f-om the.taJiiclesof Cfrpfeefi tiocjit ihey hd intendecl .lhe Electors Niuld be elextrd by the people ? .The cwjM not bsve been guify of such Jolly. The cinuraa'.ficce cf several of 'the Stiles hiving constantly, appointed iv lttors by their Jegtsfatiires bcwshow 7 hate understood this article of ihr Constitution and if contrary, coo itiuction were thetrueone, as had been fJcnred by the genilcmanfitm Hali IiX, we have r.etrr vt hd m .PrAident tfihe U. States constitutionally elected not even (leorg? Washing pri, . Are w:, ssktd Mr, W. sent. here to ?rive N.Car6Unaf her. votc in the Presidential election ? . Ar.rTwould not' 10 ig'te.-ncM jo. c!as -present motion Me thit effect ? Is too late, lay cf the S ate in o dis;r".cts in time to twaply with thercqmsnin of the Con Wo i j,. We cannot comply with: this iuijiurjn, ereept .e 6 it in ihe man-poir.-d cmt,fcy;tbelaw cf last ses Ut He h-tiC thev-4ut-cn would be tt on iis uue merits :i c. . Speaker was about to put the. 'viorv; when.V W - 'VV" -M.STON'E sajV, befort? the ques- v rS he woald ask' the patience 'he hnje for a. fcW rrromentt, V lf,' te ny view cf cur situation be cbr-' PeiMht- the Hou-ppf Carnoos ''North Carolina in ar carious attitude. ,,c tr now' debating 'whether .'.-the J ,TT j "tmons, convened in 1812, 'determine act passed by'thtr . '-Cjltture cf tsn to bctmconstJtiH J1 h e first time I have ever . lUMtion made for a LeiislaV vveare ejiica unon , - TK . . K":r iht tw- . i.. . v i, prescnotng cUng-E,ecio.,:icc;Ms r : WJtut.ooal, and bx that decision' to ilVl ,bb kwetrtsi not proceed 7Jcei Eleitois, . Whf, sald'Mr; S. is the law dncori stutional I Dccausc,lt is ialTI.lhs Con- atitulion' contcmpLcs. the-choice or iis Je :tbTS'bv the'peopleand that the Le gnualUrc, in pasting this law, has taken this cboice from tbe people.' If the law be' unconstitutional, and we cannoVhow gire th? people' the right; to. make the election, nilPcentlerncn tindetake?to ppiint Efectbn, jo'ay fdnrnV tfndrr the liw ? I say they cancot proceed to ap point theni in any form. Mr,;S. br- seeched centlcmen to retleirjhclrar jftiment, before they dtterrnihe"td;de- prtre the btate 01 us vote in tne pcno.ng election. J " , ' Thus much with rvpSrd to the Dr.us liarity of pur sltaation. .We are cnUed I ipon to jtiuge a iw oi me i-.egi?jurp 0Ltgisci impeiiouy uoumuut f Thp ana the Judges are the pro- per tribunals to determine questions ot this kind, and hot the Legislature. ( But why is this Isw unconstitutional ? This Mr. S. apprehended was the main question in il'tote.' "Where shall we. jpply for information as to what the C: rnrenton intended : bhau we apply 6 the Constitution !self, or take rague rnmonvotwhat pasted in that brxly, of the inuihary theories of any gentle man tcuthing the meaning of the Con- s'.i ution As a citizen of the "Ui State interested in the tupprt of the Consti- tution as Ike thing which he wished to preaerre in its puri-y, he should cling to i bot not take its' meaning fic n any 't . tL .. r : r It' .1 incory .-wrucn inc zancy 01 genucmcn msy onng forward. ' The words of tbe Constitution appesr to have given to the Legislatures of tfie ieveral StatesVuthorhy to make proTi- sion far the election of Elecors in the manner-prescribed hy the act in f ques tion ; it is a course, which has at times, lie present Consr.itotion which directs mua o Mm been practised by all the States by some ippointm'cnt of EUdors, all doubts nJ. wur irromcm. n.fc an been elected in that, way.; and we have never, till now, heard fits being uncon stitutional. Mr. 3. said the Constitotion did not Imend that the President of the United States should be elected by tbe people, ut by the S'aies-ahd by the people of the States a compounded ratio. Eich S' ate-and the people of the State ac cording tot their numbers. The people are Jo appoint Electors la proportion tb their numbers and their ratio as States. It is not the meaning and spirit of the Constitution that the people shall imme diately chuse the President. They are to chuse him in the way poin'ed out by their Legislatures not immediately . by themselves, but mediately by Hectors appointed as the Legislature shall direct the meaning of which is,-that the E lectors shall not necessarily be chosen by ihe people. : V Ttke another view of the tubjsct. Suppose theXlectors fail in electing the" 1 rCS'OCni, men iiiu.vuuiuc ii iu uc hi -uc by the "House of ReprcsentatiTes of the U. Slates. The House of Representa tives is elected by and. considered as the Representatives of the people ofl he U. S'aresr "But how do they vote for Pre"; sident I Not individually, but .by States. If it Jmd been intended that thV people of the ir.States should appoinfthe Pre sident, wosld not' the members of the House of Representatives,; when the e leclldn Tell npon'themi have vbfed by members, iostead of by States I Would the State of New-York,' with her 27 memberSf' hare counted 'no- more than the. State of Delaware with ler 2 rnera ber? . But the eleciionj in (bis case, ?s made by States, and,not by the people. How then, is U contrary to the con stitut Ion, 'when we say'-that the Legis latorc ; thill ' by . joint "; ballot make the choice ? -The Lrgisatirc to direct tbe manner The Legislature has directed iu-'-s But gentlemen tay-this is not the 'rjic meaning of the (institution; but-a violation of it. Shall we'j'theni'aacrificc tbe rights cf North-Carolina ? 1 -MrVS. saidhe . Was not desirous of aeiainm g ine nouie long, n Tras not his ctfstom, .nor, was it necessary as the argumeny n9 .dccd japijr upporico oy the gentlemao oc5 .Stokes. . : -The CJonventiori 'which 4aatrin Rjila dclphlf in irsrwerexalled to 'fopnthe Constitution fCan Jt be.suppoVed that the members ofihat, body,iBhouid.have adopted ope of their, old. irtiqicsj and jex pec the jp'orJeVtq it dj urendunldc'r n,fnjrrr wh?t tbty bad been icustdmed to do ?(Sack ar.Jdcxerinotbelentef Uioedrr Thejr considered that t He ; sirhe" prov'rs tfhft wotild be I a cte'd yhdc rTas fori tcerlyj n(l ibH the Etecto'rs" rjfotildbe wen cnoseo, u apDcumea or uuMetru - ,... : . v ii.;.".- . " r.7a vT- "7 HSbmVmenran took vrith coronlacencv.' s But therare o.wrppjwwn5aOT;i!r Mr, S. concluded by hoping that ctn tlemeti would , maturely- eigh what had uccu saia on ui suojeer, eiaconMacr the awkward situation In wfiieli jhcj State rould be"pbced if thet present motion prevailed. A more important uesrion perhafeHT never came before theLgisa lUre -If tbe'ccfetibn was negativedTip hoped" the House would proceed to the e!c tion of Electors agreeablytto theldi rectir?f of the Constitution and tbe law of lasV Session. -This . was the bourse expected td be- taken4 by our cpnstitu ens. However dissatisfied sorrre -parts of tbe country may bate been , with the lawi as there is not time, to nrovide for the election Jby the people, he trusjed the S'stewould not pc suffered to lOht Us vote' in this aimpoant election;-. Mr. STANLY said, it was the con viction that this was one of the; most Important questions that could be dis cussed in that houses that had overcome rhe desire which he felt, from intilspo sition, to retain his feat. ! !; This que stton was important as it went to establish a principle of vkal in terest to the freemen of this country 1 ItwM important :in another. --point of kview. , un its ot'Gision may depend whether the reins of Government shall remain in the feeble hands' wliicli.at present' hold) them -in the hands of a man rhb is neither lisp -wed lov Ttifiic Peace with honour, 'nor able to carry on War with effect ; or whether they ill be assignedfo one who will be, able to prosecute te War'with vigour,jor np. gociate ah honorable Peace It was'be cause it might depend upon the vote of this State which of these two charac ters shall preside over; the Nationjfor the next four years, that het;rose to take a part in this debate, and in the hope of contHbuting to efT;ct a desirable ehantre he was in favor of the present motion. ; ; lXl Permit rhe to disclainrr said.Mri S. any intention of defeating the vote of the atateinthe Electoral UoUcge. Me vl e wed the Gon slit ut ion" r$ 4 m pe fative in this respect ; it was the bounden du ty of the Legislature, to -see that the' State is duly represented in this im portant election. I Ills an assertion not warranted, there fore, to say that the advocates of this mor tion are desirous of depriving the State of her vote in this el action. Had 1 not the gentleman from Orar)ge proposed jto introduce another mode of electing E ,ectors'? v Was it Ingenuous', did it com port with gentlemen's ideas of candid and honorable debate to .ascribe motives to gentlemen ' which their conduct clearly disproves ? Why, asked he, are we not, at this momen?, discussing a' pro position for laying.off the State into dis tricts f'l the purpose of;etecting elec tors f ' Because the motion had beer! de clared to be out of order, a - '' . Mr. r. sard he was opposed to tne mode '4f. election prescribed by! the act of test session and which this Resolution goes to; efTcctunte on constitutbnai ground ; ! but, after .th'fjabie arguments pfthej gentleman from Salisbury, it was unnecessary for hiriVto say a word .on that subject. ? A legislative choice; tf e lectors was hot only cohtnfrjr to the sptr it of the Const itutidoir-tnance with the. Trihea of the. people, buCjneonsis-' tent'Wh lh?( policy and interest of the I country.' , But weVre' tbljj that by this moqe i. varouna ,wui nave an cuurc vote Whence asked Mr. ddes tt re suit that each v; State A shall necessarily have an entire rote ? 1 1s it aceording to the Etriess of things thst iUhalfbe" so ? In the hree State of N. Carolina, the in 1 tcrests of the different 'sections bf tfte l State are as distinct as if they were dis tinct StatesM Dp wnot.see.tbe people entertain dissimilar opinions on' this sub- jeeff Sccordihgto their situations ? ?: Thel products and pursuits of the inhabitants "of different parts ef the' Stite are vari bds.' 'r If everv seapordof this State were blockaded by'hoslile1 fleets br barrtc? .bv iiatufepW wquldT this tsTect- the inters eats' of bur JwistHcountjcs ?.f r bt at rAi nf oh r misfortunes, ' bt cuselinaffected'by;themfi fiiid as tney now do a 'market fori their produce in me aojpimng oiaics; .y3?rji thehshali we deprire.the difftirent secr Udqs of theStaltof tbe. privilege. t)i yoji tir.aa they, think best according t? tneir different Interests' ltrthllelei cae m e encracerheh't v of com mert'e. and1 De fWitt Clinton ss-Tavdrible1 to' It zziiis hhe?i has :made . war and tncoiner wiir rnai.e peace jrej Vicw4lx.!sfiffrj ent:eye3i utreste aiuercnuy j.eccca on iiie dcstruetioo Qi mnrcjrcei there iie Hi'Wp prosperity .iVr&llioo fc- ..tli If it be he spjrit;oitoie Consul u iionw tnat ttne ; 'iiaie snii rgiv2vin,nis caVe?in undivided y yfe, fy hy Joes JnoV the smeriheipie xxeptS it 6rt ne Vfo- ceeding .of, Congress I'-f. W hy .dHesnbi max noay vote vywe insieao oi n um bers ?.;We;l(ffcwti)atl presentatie ; ekrl'sses Se-'?jHtionf5C his constiYuents withobVchsullmnla associates. v lt sajd Mr S, it be agree abletovtfiel spirit t'antlrie? the Conslhu ion that ElVctbr jsnail tcfectt eel Jby general -'i icke! I v t he cA sse fhbS V migHi "aayeV hem selves ;ithej;t rouble ,of l-iymg if the. State , inio tlisti.lcis for "e lecting members to Con.sa:f;"'i't5ro is no argument in fu.vor f electing E- lectors in: this wat; thatlwoblandt c quaUy applyoembr rs'nCpngress Bur supposing; said . MfSl' we ate neither tied down bv itiitfomi orllhd spiru oi '..ine-vpnsiiiuiion irom , eiecung j Electors, by a j.'intrb 4lot bt ihe Ii.' J isiure aua aamuiiqg inat'iu is ftcpn sUluUons! mode : ad milling oa : thav there is.noi time to restore 'the . riht bfi eieciion io ms people tone eerciseqin J season on. the pieseht occasion -U wilt pot be denied vth it. there . is. audiherij mooc, against w men no consii tu; ippui objection jcpuld be . maderwhicb .come's nearest toV the choice-by - the people election by the memb ture in districts as propTj tJeman from Orange. , Ii-is, said be, cf vast.i m port ance that the election, of a President shoGl; be guarded from the apprach of ;cprrup- j lion, ana intrigue uy iwamcici oar rierslTbe! greatest sei&rjty which the wisdom of man could devise; ' placing tbe.TJgrit cf cl;ettqM iiilhe ha,mU of the people. ; in ine pi tent insranycr ,tne members of the lastAssemblv have thought proper to undermine those bar- j ners ana io enciocn orv inis ngnu-xs there any doubt asp theopinion of the peoplejbn this subject ?;Ceraiked he are the oroiectprs of tliis Iccislaiive chuice jthe iien who filled Iat year the. seats which now we occupy ? They have been permitted to retire under thejodig nau?tcavvl of a fit.?:' People. ; Mai their J opinion oeen expressea in an equivocal, way f; . .i n naa not Deep. ropsit explicit in condemning this measure, he had been miri;.f jrrned. Will ii. answer, tha iust cxprctations of those who sent ui here, ii we sit lameiyuown nnq carry into. effect the; very. ' acCygaiti.stivJiir.h! the people have so decidediy expressed their opinion ? ' With all due respect for the gentle men arou:?d hirn h-di P015 seat oh this lloor giayhVl qUltfw4i incorruptibility .orgtJc menti fxever ;it shdId Tiapnand sich things hate harjperitdihat aEo reign Ration shduld wish ;ib btanaM inffueoce in our affairs and b tSe iidfnl designing and corrupt men ;aiiempt to- overturn our iipcf tuiu auuceu while thepovVer oreltonremains iri the handsbf -ihe!! peuplc Tliey couldj not j ahe?peopletough pbor, aTc ;yiriu ouj and the agents of corrupiiou cannot reach them but take "the right ut elec- P tion-. rv President; ftpiin the" people and place it in the hands ot rje 11 slat re thel deiJgcspf intrigue pnd corruptibni are aidedthieir labor isc?rtwniyjJes sened and i he prbabVlity .oTAhejr. suc cess greatly incriasdv; Hf yfc Suppose. sa;d'Mt; S. it shpjujclevr become lashMable fi tbisStat t tfiose self-createdW in aite'ndihg-i wbb you of your prin ci pie s and i wlepen dehce : On tbh threshold, by pledgjingypufs give our;vteJ with'therraajprh vet infenbirt point of inteUect Tr ques tionabl? m viitqe; tbemajoruymarbe!! or'whatever that vote:rnayf hei If ever; that practiceshouldbbiainji, thMf pght O! CUOOSing .Eacciurs iciwaiup hands' of the -lifhM ,th Rersenttives of thitate surren-; derihg tfier inderiWidenceinip,ine nanus of sdrne boputerdernWog driven before r birtr li ke:heep to ajinarket.-- 4led in fcw;Jdld jmen4fer:ttled?lC riphteasonibnt .dictatedlby intrigue d;dere:rininc 'iiihrWihtt,;intereiitlcf & parhLiano penkbrlhem' o obajpr deedie Cendedty ftimi k strong bjepliph tbthljr-ie? But thereare otne,r oojicttons against rsbfihe IgfstatfajTOar ii I deiustbn 6ifrfiDeftfe4 --Ml ribbt ihWPttioti toardssujrt f!me"iSo rnrentryC-v', 'r-' '& j How; isJ i AJin tKrppbjntrnjent is but ivo ibtrtlr of thatbiheland ri'Thisysat maaey.tie, iegisratunevreryman-iy ;vho bwhs,4jTrv$c& 'f "Kf 4f yoes.(ifc:theeI rbe'iatotirt ded rerty;i'glves! bo t two vntesSridl ! mode shouifl not be adopted, when tbtro-1 ; But art t6idd3y he$feentiem U-oin Bertie kaid;Mr. S that it is ft wftfy el thfng Carpne LegiMatijrfe to fass jdpg- menttopdntf ecls-fnbtheji; it-Uir lhcgjjtf ha ve shewo' tfeis House nbwr ii&$itF& - to thisis thepTdvinceithelJoxJiM ;iohey.Iu1dcr 1 vtJL and nb iti art Ah Set rei' au al tfied td da ! i ral Law f last session! could bfe brbt -4 M before!:tht;:ju and ho 1 heJudes the rJUdgesabno bibn this! is? thelpnl Dbtfjv whicn.icari;v V - r:Mr.TS.v .bo4 Kit ihuu'h ii 1a Ka Vna Vif lnrW''i'at ifl-'i: t j It't i". . IS that he-had, no.wi&h wa neieat;ihevote ! ? ij ft of the 'Starriicientl rhliftibled" 1 1 !geU:-inininitie to b-jV7:?o;the,twHl:i if," thUvB.egts)aire;, foedrmiatd J to! !' . W - mit;thougHu ;. ! 5iectaile poWoftiti v 1 4?l thesbmtion bnthe stable. vou would afeidWonbbrtuhltyl Sate bf bSdnfeijeircl in ho jsfttthisj 'iiixiiftw to that he: should ' ydfe for striking out ;aill: he'e!sojdt ibb;fttr;;ijhe? irumduton iff-Jj - The question v'wi W4nbjr yeasnd!;i!;;;! na vs as- loilQwri- : j ...ii . :-r-- j'i ' "tEAressiVlBo 'With BinJieBrVarf fowne, 3oxi Uam Vn ! Huckableii iHowarditJ utnpbriry h toflidayVt ;i vC jj HoltHowet)-,vj0hPsdnJ;v4.b y'lJ Dei ij,- oaroeron, .rf.'A.' uaLRierpu,. jaruciu - : . i j Koert sMwdle; tewarr Hell; fikker; dieuean Be Callaway, CoffietdjCmhejrry Copeiana, Ca"rtonalterir?Ctomn oodtijDanie4;3M'm - den,. drd, Eaten, FbritarmerJlov fps. Frink. Pnfiell ' Vreemah. jFloTV- Crfcen-' lee,TGarrettiS GinespivKdrton; vHawkilw C !H lludrfn8IoylelIoke7TIamarli;to forn,voynerf winiuna aonsiwui vi., .vf It MrfsoW !Pjri-ami Jvelifei'jrv, ;!: ieti Lendirften,riJiidon,A LoaieS lrtree Moplssey;UaisV'9ver dene.:Kcle, Ppr Sawyer, tt; SeaweifcrM peieer;TaI: '$ :'-& terroi yahhbokf lrawki; bb,.5VoodheWu ao'nfs mbtionai anu i av a - uc;,a fas uu wn aoiuici v i nursiiim wcic uie 1 v. ini ini miul 'i i Paaon -K Sir. ?.E 1:1 3tiinMaBwnb4;caa ,';jsenoea as ai anoer, m ajKir.eTirteiT ' IX.t v iwm iruvi jMi'. : I tndces(h:isol apeMpiisia rrter.l -metheit fefma, apdress,iCi.iH ; inepropos Mot Itfeirn leccMar.to rvtKU J ' WTOtatecfenr TjnaVake tnhetconiraci; -4 vwk&ZJl -'''..'.yi-t't.- VL -St'-!: "it 5"J to;' ' , ; . 'l. I ' . ' I
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