1
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Oot are the elamt Cfr.eHehtfnI Peace. -v ..
.r.
1
tJuwarnM b trtwrae. ioliv like Bratlier
, f :r DEBATE" ON THE; ;
. :-:r;": 'continued;. Ah'S
MbAxston said, novother trentteraan gecmcd disposed.
at tliis timei toicctipy. Uio'floor, be begged leave -to feubmit, a
few7 remarks ior.tnexonsiaeraxion'oi ine cowmiux. uyun wis
all-imDdrtant dtiestion, He"'aid lier liad liOeI; .with atteji-
tioir to tfie.65sertldiiax)f tlie gentleman fromalisbury : but
haA' tint hnzrtV.lnm state' ariv: ernevance which1 anT portion ? of
the citizens ofithe State experience g uilder ;qqr VreseptCon
stitdtion:;-AIl that the-gentleman complained oft js ineqqalitj
of repretation tBut, be d
onnression'was'felt in any quarter of the State on this ucepdutv
!Nor was it likelv'that anv real erround of complaint on this
r. neaa woum ever exist ; asane- large anu siuaii vuuiucs.vcrv
so'situed in relationto each
ieeiing wiin eacn piner ineiriwisues -wcru uic samu h
subjects '?Avhich''eome For instance
- Rowan and - Orange are, large-counties $ . but they' have Iredell
and Person adjoining to them, which are' small ones j ; and
so itis -througliput t the State 5- ;whepver there h : a large
" county, there is: a shiall bne'neit, '"
. same, r So' tnat nothing! like oppreission,c6uM
under-ihe present ''system. vWhy,MIen asked Mr. A; call a
Convention, and by. doing so convulscjthe State from;brie
. trerai;tS-the other"? X: Sitfc '' ,
' Lonnecucur, it was saiu, nau amenueu iier vonautuuun,
Land why nolTwedd thelsame j- B ut w hat Avaslthe.situ ation of
things" there ?,: VWrasrit ja mere inequpity; .ofepresenrioWj
that was complained of ?N6 ft was; acontest between
'Church and State; and the Church had been forced to" the NVail.
The State New-York, who has lately revised her Con
- Jstitutiori, bad also been referml to. . There was thei-e to cdm'-4
plain 01 a council 01 Appomimeni, consisung 01 iour ocna-,
tors anithev Governor,; which disposed of every oflSce under
the government Bat there isnothing of this vkind ;ih our,
government no cbmpl ain't known here on tlie subject of ap
pointment to office. - - : v .4 --V.V--;' ''
The gentleman trora Salisbury commenced his observations
by saying that ouri present constitution was stormed .at nan
inauspicious "period. : - For his part, -if we were to have ia Con
vention, he should be glad it could mevt under as favourable
liurke, Hutherford JUincoIn Iredell, AUQwan y
CabSrriiSiIbtitenmemRichro
Iqmbusi as aurdiv fdtfeihahdn f . !
viewed asloy ecjEed; ipd6)iac :f
ilahs!;ot'publiCvinipro
die:StateS
Dividing the State Inthisiraahiier apotioii 1 of tlieir weaTul uch applica-D
O nqtlliHi I Yinil nnnnuM 1 v o m f huna ' UTniilil lw nrtilanron at t tiniK! IVOI4S troll L'linnni'tA iihifrdnlnAm a r infT nnlUiW '
a natural and nroner jdi visidif there Cwoii Id i be no danger of
small coupfies :bpissui!fa
ihefefore,to provide against so imaginain'eyiji
ylTlic.ren.ark pf -vtb'6. ntlenian7 that" the pool man's' fifty
acres . of barren i andr velhi ni ,a pf i negequaUtbn'e rriat
I man
antsfifty acres jbf tlie mbstleiStile sbil he did ?i); Iconstiec
r a de(ectbat;aifcexceliehce'in ConstituUon;viMk A
nstUuti 6n
ttSLa'HQb treasure, bequeathed to us oyurancestbaft
was desirodvs;dt lrapdin? it dowp to PuchildiTn unimbairetl,
; -Mr. vHixi; observed, jthat the, Resolutions before the (coin--mittee1
iintil iy reeomihendinl- to tfie pebnle'the propriety of
calling aConventibn,; fori the pieofvinjsndinle: ourvpre-
t w .. j ' ' -1 -: v; g - gtf s .-'. - ,t ' I " i
iiparuiyconcurreq in : ttesoiutions'wcii worinyMne aiteituon
andileliberation of tlieTLcgislatu
ine weuare ami prosneruv oi-in ortfi-ijfaroiina; y:.s.;:f. te-?k
.That objections (said he) should .be urd against an lin
dertakintf pf this kind is not much to be wondered at, parti
cularly ,twhen we tainto:rousHieration:the;situafion lM our
otate, anu'itiie great uiyeisiTvyoi interest wiucn uiuucKuy pr-s
vades it';.But a more favorable opportunity for "eflecting ah
araendnieiitrto our Cblistitution,yhe believed, lie v
perhaps never .would occur' And if centleVneiOvvre now IdisV
posed to vjew the subject witti cold liess and indifference! . wo
might hereafter, look in vain jbr its:adoptipn
make 'iisurrender , pf all . our pretensions to privilege land
; This HiC'saidYwas no new' subject V it' possessed none of
the charms of novelty f and,.pcrhaps hiaiiy. gentlemen, were j
already Wofamiliafised to itthat Jhey weiH?rcvchynpWv pre-
pared to vote lipoiiv iU without liearirtg its discussion.1 ' If
however, by disctissiiiff, fsaid he) anV additional lightsIcanJ
ri.ij possioiy oetnrowp ifpon it, xonyinciye pryijs. pnjpneiy.janu
-. i expediency; V it , would aifoid to Tits' friends aA matter of some
e i consolation. -, r u', ...
jtions yei vyellkuowivtb beuNyhpbmealiiid sV 1
d witiysci .
1 bechoped; hbwepr tliat ppo) xy (y :
tipnaldingan
hd;tjiepara rf
i'vaii;; .(H? ;
jtive to thenstitu
tdbbbWeojn
p6icTi6;;fiave ;
( burse! ves . for an mdment pt that? iiiStru tneri i ti iOii riob iect ? '
pis; to she w: .fo, tbe?people its defects, ; and to 3uggftt a remedt M
rAnd:wlie'efbld
sufe?yWhe r a
: by sncif a tran
stated tofchaptl
required it land helcould notlcpnceiv
Biiuigju lincvvi: -rciimia uciiiuu, iimiyereni to nr own; interest ,.v
y Mr. Hi aidhe; (elf great, anxiety
jjil believed no coUrse i
.cdi:jMr:py
f wou W; nbjisjime: h aftr'tnersi vf
iqualified tlian hipsel an brtuniily b
5(fj H awk Jackio wgedtthe: impoM rjge;. ;tie5ubjcpt -h' "j
unuer consHieratiop, . and rejoiced ithHheyirefttlematt' IVom -4 ;. t
unionwould not exist. V Some would Insist on beinar' ropre-'li pVcseiit; State: Constitu jibn.ViTiieyiwisely; provided, tlistt-
sented according to free population, others according to fed4 disto As
ral numbers, ' bere'taccordin to--the-: fckility fof 'OmVsoH. : scibly . upon fair, and .equitable princip1e.s,"and all alike have
AnAl nftpp allrhft flonbtwl whpfhftr sn. frond a Constitution' an equal number bf irci)n't.entativcs But it .was not at that
would be 'produced :astliat. which we hbw;eiijoy?- This i Con-" ; time foreseen '(fpr ihiiniani wisdpnicould not Ibrcsee all the
v v stitution guards and protects the rights, the property and thej umendmcnts;that experience 'might rove to ; be necessary)
liberty of every citizen ;be he poor or rich, Jie is equally"! ' that the imipehsepig
' , protected , w -"jj -v. li;':3y,vv"V-' Vvj'r$'
large counties:and sraalones; in order to shew the inequality ' mat . equality wihcii at prst was contemplated. -tience liwas
- of oun present representation. had nsn ; hence it
man to the Convention which sat at Halifax to torm bur pre- was that there existed in this State an eastei h arid western
sent Constitution, and to thatwhich convened in Philadel- interest, ju became necessary,
phia to foun vthe Coristitutionbf our -.General j Govcrhmcht. - sent unequal representation of the people. - "And for this pur-
in neitner ot tnese nnmes was me (listinrrion maue oetwecn injau. ii Janiw-uruuostiu ui situmu iu uieir cuiisiuuriiiiun nic
tiV submit to thoi reconsideration
large and small couhticsrpj?,. large, and small states. Aacli -:-1 pmpvxety young:! at onr next election, lor or against a ion
county had an eual weight jn? the" deliberations" atHaH
as each State had in the" Convention at Philadelphia; iSirHaid M.
, In the Senate of the United States.'the little States' of Dcla- Ucbmniendins; the mea
ware and RboderIsland'have;aK equallToice, with they; large 1 once Ieequ2sti6ned; If, JVov
t States of ewYork and rVireirtfa : and; in 'case" of no election ' ftin IlalifaxYMr. piston,) wbb'was lasi'luWbr any1 other
Salisbury, (MrVJFisher that tlie HpnsJiWna'nilestedadis--
deniadedi yOT ; ;
platedinthingjjes '
institutions pjg
that whicli jrhighfe
sons ; ;and under: su
the first enquir ought to he areereejfects in utpre (:K
sent CohsUtutip i
r who liadysuppte had ; y r I y I ;'4
j represented-
aintbri tat to ne
hei sp :m
poin; ,tacitl4P admiti
the ly ;obno)dbus
to believe thtas a
of goyernmeiit torf fix? upoir a principle which)shbujd equalize K v
representan -jsysteni "
founded up
uupiimuir;ariu::veaiuiy
A.
this i basi5jto shew thb inequality
syste of Tepreseni
impossible ; and if, "as 'he hadsstatedi ihe; ,frendspf ?ue:l&';:y' -1'
solutions coutd find no s other nri nd nle ;brthe C.ntifiitimi ' -" 4 '
iobiectibtiaM
uiv wcj-vt auum yui uucuiyiLwvwuiy aiisveivtue; enquiry. r:r,; '
We lare about toNtoiichlwiih Unhallowed
political safi
tion,; and tbrbw je cb
being: made by the pebble. of the President of Hhe' U. States, i (g
the choice is' left, to theHouse ofRepresehtatives wHb;;vb
not accortung toineir numucrs, out oy p taxes j so tnai v tue 4w.wiiyng.iusuumiuj jjui n iiiuy
smallest States have as much 'weight ih that important elec '
tion;'as;the, largest.-' f Hfe'-bclicy'ed the 'principle toh'tened. for ocl-.p thciracl
by the ceatle'mawwas ri and iret had to, be triedtliat is,- hesitated nbf to , say tJiat tliey vyere liaW ink
1 ' t v ei e i a at m m 1 'w-tm ma 4 t ma f I ' 1 V i 4" n ir ffl tf Afk n '
tplass the-est jnteitof the btatef
Idea--Jay Government we are told, f said MK H) was instituted t.ir
T he gentleman from Sal isbu ry . has undertaken
several counties, accof ding toheii; eastern or Western
ooservauons lounyed on omciai statements and numerical cal-r
f ulatibris! whiclpiM
Uion&utd
! witkai dniv Ki-nf ln 'Icf. i ilatT flint ho' n?ocDnfntv.oan
lirarne for ypuielvesia i-Ei liopcd ? y
heCsjibiiid be exeisedi fbtihdu of iv?v
iuvl;AAw;.'AliXJii"
Or-fForty.-iivcearsrsaid
ampti
quota i
He said
each
the. same c
comph
havim
contrastwhat jiberty s
lied wrmelbbr ,
siioulbbe ;dberadhalterableM: but y' y V :
:'ft;htiKlieutttaave perlectf os-- ;': '
S';: ito'i iieA:lliV.l-Vis A -i A.y.ivy-.?tt :"?:' :